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can anyone please give me proof that Jesus Christ is real?

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  • I think you guys are confusing evidence with proof.

    There is evidence Ceasar existed but you cannot prove it like 1+1=2.

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    • http://www.truthbeknown.com/christ4.htm

      I again find this interesting the similarities of Christ with Horus.

      Maybe Horus was also not a myth and was real.
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      Proverb:3:13: Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

      1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
      1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

      Proverb:12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
      Proverb:12:16: A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.
      Proverb:12:17: He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
      Evangelist c.moore

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      • jjjg I would not say your logic is correct on the existance of chistians proving Jesus is real: Because if you use this logic then you must conceed the existance of all the hidu gods being real also; absurd.

        c.moore appears to be a Satanist not a person who has honest questions about whether or not Jesus ever existed.

        Almost all Jews do not question the existance of Jesus, not the miracles he produced, to this day.

        Even if Josephus was a chruistian, still doesn't change the fact that he was a Roman Historian, employed by Rome: and that he wrote of the existance of Jesus.

        The burden of proof as to whether or not Josephus' writings are real or not rests upon you to disprove the validity of their existance beyond a resonable doubt; which you have not: therefor they must be presumed real.

        I met a egyptian muslim who told me that they have in their culture the stories of the exodus of the Jews from their land. As well, she also stated that the plagues, the hardened of their pharaoh, and the parting of the Red Sea are all a part of their culture. This all leads me to ask one question: Why would a people say, a smaller nation then theirs, who where their slaves, gave them an *** whipping if it were not true?

        As well. over in Babalon are documents of King Nebuchadnezzar and his protege Danial, to deny these facts you have to say all the historical digs and Museum artifacts are all made up. Now all true historians would not deny these as fact. And if these are true accounts of history, why is it so hard to accept the documented historical facts of the rest of the accounts of history writen in the bible as facts? Is it not only because you who claim to be atheists don't want to acknowledge the existance of God because then their must be accountablity to God? But whether you want to acknowledge the existance of God or not, does not change the fact that you are and will be accountable to him.

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        • No, the story of the Hindu Gods are not tied to history as Christ was as a human who walked the earth. Hinduism is always changing too.

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          • http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusHorus.html

            C.Moore, this article dispells all that your article says.

            By the way if the articles you are pasting are what your teacher is refering you to than he/she is not worth listening to as the are full of error and deliberate fallacies.
            Last edited by jjjg; October 24th, 2004, 03:17 PM.

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            • http://members.aol.com/FLJOSEPHUS/testimonium.htm

              Looks like the Josephus account is overwhelmingy supported to be authentic. Guess the argument that it was a forgery is thrown out the window.

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              • jjjg you are mistaken. Many of the hindu gods are believe to have been alive and living on earth.

                My wife's family is hindu and you have erred in your facts.

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                • Truth, there may be gods like Hurcules or avatars but none have a true historicity that you can trace back to them.
                  Last edited by jjjg; October 24th, 2004, 07:51 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by jjjg

                    http://members.aol.com/FLJOSEPHUS/testimonium.htm

                    Looks like the Josephus account is overwhelmingy supported to be authentic. Guess the argument that it was a forgery is thrown out the window.
                    Not at all.

                    a) Josephus was a Pharisee; to believe Jesus was the messiah would repudiate his entire worldview and religion

                    b) Josephus gives a bare paragraph to the savior of mankind, creator of mankind, and promised messiah; not exactly indepth reporting

                    c) the paragraph is incongruous, out of context, and totally absurd given what we know of Josephus, his education, and his convictions as a Jew

                    d) Jesus goes without mention for the rest of Josephus' work--the son of a God a relative footnote in the bulk of Josephus' work

                    Triple J, either Josephus is an "obscure" historian, as you claimed, or the secular accounts don't matter at all, as you also claimed. So...which is it?

                    And kindly explain what else I raised in this post, without resorting to a half-witted one liner. That act of yours gets old.




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                    • Granite, the article throws your argument in the garbage as a joke.

                      Of course, ignoring the article completely is an act of yours that gets old. You're just making yourself look foolish now.

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                      • It was made not to make sense or be logical.

                        JUST believe it!
                        I guess your way of thinking is so foreign to me that I just can't understand it.

                        If I were a Christian and I came to believe the Bible were just something that had been fabricated centuries after it was claimed to have been written I would stop being a Christian immediately because I would have no basis for faith in the one book that is the entire basis for Christianity.

                        Only a fool would knowingly base his life upon something he believes to be fraudulent.

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                        • Originally posted by jjjg

                          Granite, the article throws your argument in the garbage as a joke.

                          Of course, ignoring the article completely is an act of yours that gets old. You're just making yourself look foolish now.
                          Triple J, the article is a couple rehashed pages of stuff you've already said here. We both may be belaboring our respective points, I think.




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                          • Ya, whatever, Granite!

                            In other words you can't refute it, so try to write it off with a non-argument!


                            You have been blabbering here for pages on your same points and when you are finally shown up as wrong you don't even have the sense to admit it!

                            At least I admitted my comment about Josephus was a mistake. Now you are just making yourself look like an idiot! And a very happy one at that, if you get the hint.

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                            • Originally posted by jjjg

                              Ya, whatever, Granite!

                              In other words you can't refute it, so try to write it off with a non-argument!


                              You have been blabbering here for pages on your same points and when you are finally shown up as wrong you don't even have the sense to admit it!

                              At least I admitted my comment about Josephus was a mistake. Now you are just making yourself look like an idiot! And a very happy one at that, if you get the hint.
                              Look, man, nothing you say or do is gonna make me change my mind, and vice versa. People choose to believe what they believe. Nothing changes the fact that the Josephus passage is a) likely fake, and b) if originally accurate, was heavily embellished by the church. So it doesn't much prove anything one way or another. You've said yourself that secular historians mean less to you than "Christian sources" (whatever that means) so why even bother wasting your time on this?

                              The problem with Bible-thumping fanatics like yourself is that it's impossible to have a rational, reasoned discussion. Ancient myths resemble Christianity? Must be Satan. The Bible contradicts itself? Well, we don't talk about that. There's no evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus? Big whoop, just take it on faith. Worse comes to worse? Just find a half-baked website to placate yourself, cross your arms, close your eyes, and stick your head in the sand. Praise the Lord and pass the Bible NyQuil: the drowsy non-thinking going to heaven sleepy time medicine.

                              If this tunnel-vision thinking and self-satisfied ignorance is the fruit of your faith, you can keep it.




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                              • Again, whatever!

                                Look at the sources of the material, Granite!

                                These are scientific studies, not some magic trick of fanatics and by the way I'm not a Bible thumping fanatic!

                                I agree with a lot of other points of view. You just have an uneducated opinion and that makes you a bigot.

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