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  • I believe revelations is talking about the Roman empire at the time it was written. It was the Church that wrote Revelations. The only general message you can read from Revelations is one of hope.

    When everything looks down and out, Christ will save his people. You cannot connect certain passages in Revelations with our time. Anybody reading revelations will tell you that there is something missing.

    Either text is missing or they tried to fit together to differenty visions. So it is impossible to believe you have some whole picture of future events.

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    • Originally posted by jjjg

      Can give any refute to the argument, granite. This is just like the link I gave you and you never responded to.
      I'm not sure what "argument" you're referring to.




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      • Originally posted by jjjg

        Whatever, granite. Keep going with the general sweeping statements. Apples and oranges.

        C.Moore, if you cannot defend your beliefs than why remain a Christian? It all could be Osiris myths.
        I am thinking very strongly of the change to believing Horus and Osiris as the original jesus recycle or copy cats from jesus myth.

        here is the link to get some answers about your questions you have ask and you can also compare and see the Jesus loops as the world developes and goes through it religious processes.

        http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/BJesusandHorus74.htm
        Last edited by c.moore; October 10th, 2004, 01:15 PM.
        www.revivaldisco.com

        Proverb:3:13: Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

        1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
        1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

        Proverb:12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
        Proverb:12:16: A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.
        Proverb:12:17: He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
        Evangelist c.moore

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        • C. Moore, are you serious? You're crazed enough to.

          The difference is Horus is completely fabricated. You may eliminate the Jesus as being the Son of God but the historicity of the man remains.

          Just as you may take away from the Emperor being a God but the man Julius Ceaser remains.

          The Hebrew history and promise of a Messiah is unique and as old as Egyptian people.

          The foolishness of Christ to the gentiles is that the Son of God would let himself be crucified and ridiculed and die on a cross.

          That alone is unique as is the message of or weakness being our greatest strength and to love one another and treat each other as equals.
          Last edited by jjjg; October 10th, 2004, 02:55 PM.

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          • The Egyptians believed in multiple Gods and Horus was like Hercules a son of a God. It has nothing to do with the belief in one God in three persons.

            The Egyptians just saw the sun and moon and they named Gods after them and gave them distinct powers that they made up etc.

            This all goes against the Hebrew God which was a distinct religion and this is the tradition that Christianity came from.
            Last edited by jjjg; October 10th, 2004, 05:43 PM.

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            • The Egyptians believed in multiple Gods and Horus was like Hercules a son of a God. It has nothing to do with the belief in one God in three persons.

              The Egyptians just saw the sun and moon and they named Gods after them and gave them distinct powers that they made up etc.

              This all goes against the Hebrew God which was a distinct religion and this is the tradition that Christianity came from.
              Actually, a particular Egyptian named Akenaten is considered to be a challenger for the title of World's First Monotheist. Ironically enough, he pushed for the worship of a triune deity... three in one, one in three. Sound familiar?
              What Would Cthulhu Do?

              He who knows one religion knows none. - Max Muller

              That's the kind of liberal thinking that leads to being eaten! - Principal Snyder, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

              Abortions for some, miniature American flags for the rest! - Kang as Bob Dole, The Simpsons

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              • Was Horus part of his belief?

                Actually Akhenaten lived at the same time Joseph came to Egypt. Funny how the Jewish belief influences some people.

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                • Originally posted by jjjg

                  Was Horus part of his belief?
                  Nope.

                  Actually Akhenaten lived at the same time Joseph came to Egypt. Funny how the Jewish belief influences some people.
                  Lol. Prove that?
                  What Would Cthulhu Do?

                  He who knows one religion knows none. - Max Muller

                  That's the kind of liberal thinking that leads to being eaten! - Principal Snyder, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

                  Abortions for some, miniature American flags for the rest! - Kang as Bob Dole, The Simpsons

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                  • Actually it is probably closer to the fact that he was pharo and there were lots of wealthy aristocrats.

                    So to maintain control he made sure that he was a tangible God (his beliefs by the way did not depend on faith, but the acceptance of him as God and it was hardly the first monotheism, the Hebrew belief is much earlier).

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                    • Actually it is probably closer to the fact that he was pharo and there were lots of wealthy aristocrats.
                      What was?

                      So to maintain control he made sure that he was a tangible God (his beliefs by the way did not depend on faith, but the acceptance of him as God and it was hardly the first monotheism, the Hebrew belief is much earlier).
                      Again, a little evidence?
                      What Would Cthulhu Do?

                      He who knows one religion knows none. - Max Muller

                      That's the kind of liberal thinking that leads to being eaten! - Principal Snyder, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

                      Abortions for some, miniature American flags for the rest! - Kang as Bob Dole, The Simpsons

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                      • Originally posted by jjjg

                        C. Moore, are you serious? You're crazed enough to.

                        The difference is Horus is completely fabricated. You may eliminate the Jesus as being the Son of God but the historicity of the man remains.

                        Just as you may take away from the Emperor being a God but the man Julius Ceaser remains.

                        The Hebrew history and promise of a Messiah is unique and as old as Egyptian people.

                        The foolishness of Christ to the gentiles is that the Son of God would let himself be crucified and ridiculed and die on a cross.

                        That alone is unique as is the message of or weakness being our greatest strength and to love one another and treat each other as equals.
                        But do you think the love and humbleness comes from Buddah as the religion of peace and love was copied into christianity?
                        www.revivaldisco.com

                        Proverb:3:13: Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

                        1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
                        1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

                        Proverb:12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
                        Proverb:12:16: A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.
                        Proverb:12:17: He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
                        Evangelist c.moore

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                        • Originally posted by jjjg

                          The Egyptians believed in multiple Gods and Horus was like Hercules a son of a God. It has nothing to do with the belief in one God in three persons.

                          The Egyptians just saw the sun and moon and they named Gods after them and gave them distinct powers that they made up etc.

                          This all goes against the Hebrew God which was a distinct religion and this is the tradition that Christianity came from.
                          But didn`t the one God come into existance and was develope in the Captivity period of Israel and Juda??

                          Maybe the one God without a body was invented in the Zoroastrian Persian main God and this is where the Idea pop up and was copied into Christianity and other montheism religions and belief.

                          I think it was around the period of 722BC and 539 BC,
                          www.revivaldisco.com

                          Proverb:3:13: Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

                          1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
                          1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

                          Proverb:12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
                          Proverb:12:16: A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.
                          Proverb:12:17: He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
                          Evangelist c.moore

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                          • Originally posted by jjjg

                            ... the Hebrew belief is much earlier).
                            I believe that Adam had faith in The One True God, having experienced His Presence first-hand. He sort of pre-dated the Hebrew faith, though some might argue that he spoke Hebrew.
                            "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

                            If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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                            • Originally posted by Aimiel

                              I believe that Adam had faith in The One True God, having experienced His Presence first-hand. He sort of pre-dated the Hebrew faith, though some might argue that he spoke Hebrew.
                              Where did this myth of Adam come from??
                              It was told to me that the story was a myth of a prepagan belief before this story was invented.
                              www.revivaldisco.com

                              Proverb:3:13: Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

                              1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
                              1Co:2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

                              Proverb:12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
                              Proverb:12:16: A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.
                              Proverb:12:17: He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
                              Evangelist c.moore

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                              • Originally posted by c.moore

                                But didn`t the one God come into existance and was develope in the Captivity period of Israel and Juda??

                                Maybe the one God without a body was invented in the Zoroastrian Persian main God and this is where the Idea pop up and was copied into Christianity and other montheism religions and belief.

                                I think it was around the period of 722BC and 539 BC,
                                Yes. The worship of Bel (northern kingdom) and Eloyhim (southern kingdom) were merged after the captivity.




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