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  • Originally posted by john w View Post
    Show us anyone, who ever taught this "God the Father" concept, before the Lord Jesus Christ arrived on earth.


    Show it in the book-"God the Father."


    You can't-the Saviour, who revealed the Father, was the first to make Him known, as "God the Father."

    If you are demanding the literal title "God the Father," then it is wrong for you to ask for the "concept" that God was Father.

    For literalists are blind to concepts.

    You receive answer from the word of God, but because you dictate how the concept must be worded by God, in order for you to believe the concept, you do not believe God when He reveals the concept in His own words.

    Heir does the same thing with the gospel message. If a person does not chant I Cor. 15:1-4, she says they are not confessing the gospel at all.

    Not good or wise to tell God "what He saith," and be proven wrong . . .
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
    Charles Spurgeon

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    • While you're at , Naggie, show us anyone, prior to Paul, who taught this "crucified with Christ" concept:



      Galatians 2:20 KJV
      I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

      If you cannot, then, according to you, and Craigie, it is an "invention" by Paul. Show us where this concept was taught, prior to it being taught by Paul.
      Saint John W

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      • Originally posted by john w View Post
        While you're at , Naggie, show us anyone, prior to Paul, who taught this "crucified with Christ" concept:



        Galatians 2:20 KJV
        I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

        If you cannot, then, according to you, and Craigie, it is an "invention" by Paul. Show us where this concept was taught, prior to it being taught by Paul.
        Isaiah Chapter 53.
        "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

        " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
        Gordon H. Clark

        "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
        Charles Spurgeon

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        • Originally posted by Nang View Post
          Isaiah Chapter 53.
          mystery hidden in the scriptures!

          Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

          Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

          Romans 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.


          1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

          1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

          1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

          NEXT!
          2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

          Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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          • Originally posted by Nang View Post
            If you are demanding the literal title "God the Father," then it is wrong for you to ask for the "concept" that God was Father.

            For literalists are blind to concepts.

            You receive answer from the word of God, but because you dictate how the concept must be worded by God, in order for you to believe the concept, you do not believe God when He reveals the concept in His own words.

            Heir does the same thing with the gospel message. If a person does not chant I Cor. 15:1-4 , she says they are not confessing the gospel at all.

            Not good or wise to tell God "what He saith," and be proven wrong . . .

            Nope. You "argue," as does Tet., that no one taught "the rapture," before Darby-therefore, it is false. It has NADA to do with a "rapture concept," a "rapture message," so save your satanic spin, "re phrasing"/changing your "argument." By that "argument," we have documented what the "church fathers" have said about a "rapture concept...rapture message."


            See how that works, you demon-ette?


            "the gospel message."-witchiepoo

            Made up language-like "Covenant of Works...Covenant of Redemption."

            Your cavalier attitude toward the book is your MO, rejecting that it is a book of details. You make up words, concepts, on the fly, because you study your "the church" SOF, and not the book.

            My evidence? Your "posts."


            You mean that "gospel message," 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, that you assert Saint Judas preached:?

            Luke 9 KJV

            1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

            2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

            3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.

            4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.

            5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

            6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.


            "Not good or wise to tell God "what He saith," and be proven wrong"-Naggie

            Wow-that's a stunner, and settles it. How long did it take you to Google/Bing that gem, toots?.
            Saint John W

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            • Originally posted by Nang View Post
              I
              Heir does the same thing with the gospel message. If a person does not chant I Cor. 15:1-4, she says they are not confessing the gospel at all.
              You're a joke. You couldn't even answer what the word of truth is concerning us on the first or second try.
              2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

              Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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              • Originally posted by heir View Post
                You're a joke.
                You're a follower of John Nelson Darby.
                (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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                • Originally posted by heir View Post
                  mystery hidden in the scriptures!
                  Paul taught the fact of crucifixion as suffering accursedness in Galatians 3:13 which comes from the concept of Deuteronomy 21:23.

                  No mystery at all . . .

                  Unless it is just Dispensationalists who cannot see the plain truths of God because of their self-made fog of wrong presuppositions.
                  "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                  " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                  Gordon H. Clark

                  "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                  Charles Spurgeon

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                  • Originally posted by Nang View Post
                    Isaiah Chapter 53.
                    Johnny's desperate.

                    He's trying to equate Jesus and Paul to John Nelson Darby.

                    Johnny thinks that because no one in the OT referred to God with the exact phrase: "God the Father" before Jesus used the phrase "God the Father", it is analogous to no one teaching the rapture until John Nelson Darby.

                    Dispies just can't handle that Darby invented the rapture.

                    However, Johnny's desperate attempt to compare Darby to Jesus and Paul, is in itself evidence that he admits Darby did in fact invent the rapture.
                    (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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                    • Originally posted by heir View Post
                      mystery hidden in the scriptures!
                      Once again, you won't acknowledge what Jesus said:

                      (Matt 13:35 KJV) That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
                      (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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                      • I think all Dispensationalists have a strong desire to rewrite the Holy Scriptures in their words, rather than accepting the inspiration and revelation of Truth, as worded by God Almighty.

                        The repeatedly show resistance to His Holy concepts, and try to improve on Truth, rewritten to their liking.

                        What "Gruber" arrogance they display over faithful saints who humbly accept God according to His written Word.
                        "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                        " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                        Gordon H. Clark

                        "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                        Charles Spurgeon

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                        • Originally posted by Nang View Post

                          No mystery at all . . .
                          heir and all the other Darby followers think the "mystery" is a "secret parenthetical dispensation" of church age believers distinct from Israel.

                          When in fact, the "mystery" was that the Gentiles became fellow heirs with Israel of the promises.

                          Dispensationalism is a mess.
                          (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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                          • Originally posted by heir View Post
                            You're a joke. You couldn't even answer what the word of truth is concerning us on the first or second try.
                            I have no idea what you consider the "word of truth" to be, but Jesus Christ defined the word of truth in John 17:17.
                            "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                            " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                            Gordon H. Clark

                            "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                            Charles Spurgeon

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                            • Originally posted by Nang View Post


                              What "Gruber" arrogance they display over faithful saints who humbly accept God according to His written Word.
                              If GM, StP, heir, Musterion, Delmar, or Johnny really possessed a hunger and thirst for God's truth, they would spend most of their days doing online searches and exploring church history & biblical doctrines, to test the spirits and compare beliefs against their own (supposedly) profound study of God's Word.
                              2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

                              Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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                              • Originally posted by tetelestai View Post
                                heir and all the other Darby followers think the "mystery" is a "secret parenthetical dispensation" of church age believers distinct from Israel.

                                When in fact, the "mystery" was that the Gentiles became fellow heirs with Israel of the promises.

                                Dispensationalism is a mess.
                                More and more I am believing Dispensationalism is God's judgment and delusion sent upon lawless ones, who have no love of His Truth. II Thessalonians 2:9-12
                                "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

                                " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
                                Gordon H. Clark

                                "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
                                Charles Spurgeon

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