ECT Will there be a temple, to worship the one true God, in the future?

Jacob

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The Bible’s supreme proof text for telling the difference between the One God and the Messiah who is not God

This verse was referred to the Messiah by the Pharisees and by Jesus. It tells us that the relationship between God and Jesus is that of Deity and non-Deity. The Messiah is called adoni (my lord) and in every one of its 195 occurrences adoni (my lord) means a superior who is not God. Adonai on the other hand refers exclusively to the One God in all of its 449 occurrences. Adonai is the title of Deity and adoni never designates Deity.

If the Messiah were called Adonai this would introduce “two Gods” into the Bible and would be polytheism. Psalm 110:1 should guard us all against supposing that there are two who are God. In fact the Messiah is the supreme human being and agent of the One God. Psalm 110:1 is the Bible’s master text for defining the Son of God in relation to the One God, his Father.

Why is it that a number of commentaries misstate the facts about Psalm 110:1? They assert that the word for the Messiah in Psalm 110:1 is adonai. It is not. These commentaries seem to obscure a classic text defining God in relation to His Son. The Hebrew text assigns to the Messiah the title adoni which invariably distinguishes the one addressed from the Deity. The Messiah is the supreme human lord. He is not the Lord God (cp. I Tim. 2:5; I Cor. 8:4-6; Mark 12:28ff).

Why is the Messiah called adoni (my lord) and never adonai (my Lord God)?

“Adonai and Adoni are variations of Masoretic pointing to distinguish divine reference from human.”

Adonai is referred to God but Adoni to human superiors.

Adoni — ref. to men: my lord, my master [see Ps. 110:1]

Adonai — ref. to God…Lord (Brown, Driver, Briggs, Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament, under adon [= lord]).

“The form ADONI (‘my lord’), a royal title (I Sam. 29:8), is to be carefully distinguished from the divine title ADONAI (‘my Lord’) used of Yahweh.” “ADONAI — the special plural form [the divine title] distinguishes it from adonai [with short vowel] = my lords” (International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, “Lord,” p. 157).

“Lord in the OT is used to translate ADONAI when applied to the Divine Being. The [Hebrew] word…has a suffix [with special pointing] presumably for the sake of distinction…between divine and human appellative” (Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, “Lord,” Vol. 3, p. 137).

“Hebrew Adonai exclusively denotes the God of Israel. It is attested about 450 times in the OT…Adoni [is] addressed to human beings (Gen. 44:7, Num. 32:25, II Kings 2:19 [etc.]). We have to assume that the word adonai received its special form to distinguish it from the secular use of adon [i.e., adoni]. The reason why [God is addressed] as adonai, [with long vowel] instead of the normal adon, adoni or adonai [with short vowel] may have been to distinguish Yahweh from other gods and from human lords” (Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible, p. 531).

“The lengthening of the ā on Adonai [the Lord God] may be traced to the concern of the Masoretes to mark the word as sacred by a small external sign” (Theological Dictionary of the OT, “Adon,” p. 63 and Theological Dictionary of the NT, III, 1060ff. n.109).

“The form ‘to my lord,’ l’adoni, is never used in the OT as a divine reference…the generally accepted fact that the masoretic pointing distinguishes divine references (adonai) from human references (adoni)” (Wigram, The Englishman’s Hebrew and Chaldee Concordance of the OT, p. 22) (Herbert Bateman, “Psalm 110:1 and the NT,” Bibliothecra Sacra, Oct.-Dec., 1992, p. 438).

http://focusonthekingdom.org/articles/adonai.htm
I know about the difference between LORD and Lord, but not Lord and lord.
 

JosephR

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When you see it standing in the holy place?



Honestly I don't know.


No, it is an instruction of what to do.... To stand in the Holy Place when hell on Earth is unleashed. My question is where is the Holy Place, as we do not have a physical temple and even if we did we all couldn't fit :)
 

Jacob

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No, it is an instruction of what to do.... To stand in the Holy Place when hell on Earth is unleashed. My question is where is the Holy Place, as we do not have a physical temple and even if we did we all couldn't fit :)
I don't believe so. Sorry.
 

Jacob

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The Olivet discourse is a big study, just wondered what your thoughts were.. Nothing to be sorry about..

Matthew 24:15
What is or was to be standing in the holy place though? That is where I don't know that you have it right.
 

JosephR

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Well at that time it was the Holy of Holies. But I think it speaks to the Kingdom around and inside us. Where the still voice of God comes from.
 

Jacob

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Well at that time it was the Holy of Holies. But I think it speaks to the Kingdom around and inside us. Where the still voice of God comes from.
I don't know the difference between the Holy of Holies and the holy place (then). But the point was that you may not have an accurate understanding of the passage of which you speak.
 

JosephR

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I don't know the difference between the Holy of Holies and the holy place (then). But the point was that you may not have an accurate understanding of the passage of which you speak.


The OP is about the temple, right,

My post is about a place in the temple we are told to stand... We have no temple today.. However Christ taught us the Kingdom is at hand.
 

Jacob

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The OP is about the temple, right,

My post is about a place in the temple we are told to stand... We have no temple today.. However Christ taught us the Kingdom is at hand.
What is your Biblical reference and have you looked at the context?
 

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The OP is about the temple, right,

My post is about a place in the temple we are told to stand... We have no temple today.. However Christ taught us the Kingdom is at hand.

We are not being told to stand anywhere

Look at the same passage in Mark

Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Also appears the same in 2Thess and it is not about anything good.

2Thess.2: 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.
 

Jacob

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The OP is about the temple, right,

My post is about a place in the temple we are told to stand... We have no temple today.. However Christ taught us the Kingdom is at hand.

Shalom.

I pray all is well.

Shalom.

Jacob
 

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The temple that was coming in place of the pitiful one of Haggai, was Christ himself. It is the Christian community. When we see the NHNE depicted in Rev 21, Christ is the temple.
 

Jacob

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The temple that was coming in place of the pitiful one of Haggai, was Christ himself. It is the Christian community. When we see the NHNE depicted in Rev 21, Christ is the temple.

Shalom. I do not understand your answer. I do not know what you are talking about. I observe Torah. I accept the entire Bible. I know about the first temple and the second temple. I know about the temple of Christ's body. I know that I am a temple of the Holy Spirit. I know that we are being fitted into a holy temple in the Lord. I also want to learn about the temple spoken of in Ezekiel. It either will never come to be after the second temple was built but not according to these specifications, or the prophecy in Ezekiel has yet to be fulfilled. Ezekiel 40-48.

The tabernacle or first temple was patterned after that which is in the heavens. It has to do with what Moses saw so I am guessing that this was the tabernacle. I can learn from here.

Shalom.

Jacob
 

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Shalom. I do not understand your answer. I do not know what you are talking about. I observe Torah. I accept the entire Bible. I know about the first temple and the second temple. I know about the temple of Christ's body. I know that I am a temple of the Holy Spirit. I know that we are being fitted into a holy temple in the Lord. I also want to learn about the temple spoken of in Ezekiel. It either will never come to be after the second temple was built but not according to these specifications, or the prophecy in Ezekiel has yet to be fulfilled. Ezekiel 40-48.

The tabernacle or first temple was patterned after that which is in the heavens. It has to do with what Moses saw so I am guessing that this was the tabernacle. I can learn from here.

Shalom.

Jacob



After the exile to Babylon a temple was built. The prophet Haggai lamented that it was so puny.

Herod thought he would fix that, but it is a sad affair (not in size, but in loss of spirit or meaning). But before the destruction of that one happened, Jesus was already speaking of the temple of his body, and the other NT passages about the new temple in Christ.

That's what exists now; and since the NHNE features a temple that is Christ, some say that the new age mentioned there is already upon us in a certain sense.
 

Jacob

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After the exile to Babylon a temple was built. The prophet Haggai lamented that it was so puny.

Herod thought he would fix that, but it is a sad affair (not in size, but in loss of spirit or meaning). But before the destruction of that one happened, Jesus was already speaking of the temple of his body, and the other NT passages about the new temple in Christ.

That's what exists now; and since the NHNE features a temple that is Christ, some say that the new age mentioned there is already upon us in a certain sense.

Shalom.

I can't say that I agree with you.

There was the tabernacle in the wilderness. I hear it was in the promised land in more than one or numerous places. Then there was Solomon's temple, the first temple. Or, without his name the temple that Solomon built. After the northern kingdom was exiled the southern kingdom was taken captive to Babylon where it was there for 70 years that the land would receive its rest. Upon its return another temple was built called the second temple by many, and some would call it Zerubbabel's temple. There is some history here before Herod's temple, involving a re-dedication of the temple as I understand it. Herod's temple was simply some modifications (were there modifications before this?) to the second temple.

I do not know what you mean by NHNE and I do not believe that there is a new age or that we should be supporting anything new age. That may not be what you intend to say here.

Shalom.

Jacob
 

Nick M

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Is there any indication in the Bible that there is a temple yet to come, sacrifices there or not, apart from what we find in Ezekiel? And, to be more specific, is that which we find in Ezekiel NOT a temple yet to come?

I'll give you this. You don't understand it, but at least you believe it. You are way ahead of many here.
 

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Shalom. I do not understand your answer. I do not know what you are talking about. I observe Torah. I accept the entire Bible. I know about the first temple and the second temple. I know about the temple of Christ's body. I know that I am a temple of the Holy Spirit. I know that we are being fitted into a holy temple in the Lord. I also want to learn about the temple spoken of in Ezekiel. It either will never come to be after the second temple was built but not according to these specifications, or the prophecy in Ezekiel has yet to be fulfilled. Ezekiel 40-48.

The tabernacle or first temple was patterned after that which is in the heavens. It has to do with what Moses saw so I am guessing that this was the tabernacle. I can learn from here.

Shalom.

Jacob

Perhaps you might start here concerning the Ezekiel Temple:

Ezekiel 43:5-12 KJV
5 So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.
6 And I heard him speaking unto me out of the house; and the man stood by me.
7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel
for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.
8 In their setting of their threshold by my thresholds, and their post by my posts, and the wall between me and them, they have even defiled my holy name by their abominations that they have committed: wherefore I have consumed them in mine anger.
9 Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me,
and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities:
and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
12 This is the law of the house; Upon the top of the mountain the whole limit thereof round about shall be most holy.
[six hundred by six hundred cubits with a fifty-cubit "commons" or "profane" suburb-area roundabout the outer wall - Ezekiel 42:20, 45:2] Behold, this is the law of the house.

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These things are indeed supernal and eternal, (as is the Solomon House, 1Kings 9:3).
 

Jacob

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Perhaps you might start here concerning the Ezekiel Temple:

Ezekiel 43:5-12 KJV
5 So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.
6 And I heard him speaking unto me out of the house; and the man stood by me.
7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel
for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.
8 In their setting of their threshold by my thresholds, and their post by my posts, and the wall between me and them, they have even defiled my holy name by their abominations that they have committed: wherefore I have consumed them in mine anger.
9 Now let them put away their whoredom, and the carcases of their kings, far from me,
and I will dwell in the midst of them for ever.
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities:
and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
12 This is the law of the house; Upon the top of the mountain the whole limit thereof round about shall be most holy.
[six hundred by six hundred cubits with a fifty-cubit "commons" or "profane" suburb-area roundabout the outer wall - Ezekiel 42:20, 45:2] Behold, this is the law of the house.

ezek-temple.gif


These things are indeed supernal and eternal, (as is the Solomon House, 1Kings 9:3).

Shalom.

I do not know how to respond. This is also my last post for the day.

Shalom.

Jacob
 
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