Why Jews Don't Accept Jesus?

Ben Masada

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1 - Act 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
2 - Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
3 - Act 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
4 - Act 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

1 - That's from the gospel of Paul. Forgiveness of sins is granted only by the obedience of God's Law. No one can die for the sins of another. (Jeremiah 31:30; Ezekiel 18:29)

2 - It is not the Law that justifies but obedience to the Law.

3 - What the Prophets say is what I have mentioned above from Jeremiah and Ezekiel.

4 - That's why we can't believe in the gospel of Paul. Too confusing.
 
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Ben Masada

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Messiahs were individuals; and Judaism though mostly preserving Hebrew culture, is not special in itself.

Indeed, there were several kinds of anointed ones: The king, the High Priest, the prophets, even a Gentile could be one as Prophet Isaiah referred to when talking about Cyrus. (Isa. 45:1) But the Messiah we are talking about is the collective one according to Isaiah 53, and Habakkuk 3:13. The same as the son of God according to Exodus 4:22,23. "Israel is My son..."
 

Ben Masada

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1 - No, he mean were Enoch and every spirit goes.

2 - The Israelite authorities were of Judah; and where does it say his disciples called King of the Jews instead of Messiah or christ?

1 - He couldn't. He was a Jew. You must be confusing him with the "Christ" of Paul and not the Jesus of Nazareth.

2 - Please, read Luke 19:37-40. And for Jesus' verdict on the top of his cross aka INRI, you can read in Luke 23:38. That's why he was crucified; because he was acclaimed king of the Jews.
 

Ben Masada

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1 - John 8:58 does not say he pre-existed.

2 - And you would lame God by saying he is incapable of making a virgin bear a child.

1 - John 8:58 "Before Abraham was, I am." If this saying does not mean pre-existence it is because probably you do not understand what pre-existence is.

2 - God is able to make any and all things but one, to do what you wish He did or should have done. The Lord does not work that way.
 

Ben Masada

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He got Israel noticed by other nations. I never said cherries are perpetual; morely, I never say males can virgins. It is never true.

And, was that enough to make a god or the son of God out of him? (Acts 9:20) Please, have mercy!
 

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1 - He couldn't. He was a Jew. You must be confusing him with the "Christ" of Paul and not the Jesus of Nazareth.
Obviously taken out of context by you.

2 - Please, read Luke 19:37-40. And for Jesus' verdict on the top of his cross aka INRI, you can read in Luke 23:38. That's why he was crucified; because he was acclaimed king of the Jews.
Please reread it. His disciples were not saying this, but the crowd was. But what does Pilate accuse him of being? ὁ βασιλεῦς τῶν Ἰουδαίων "a king of Jews"-- Pilate accuses him of being.
 

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1 - John 8:58 "Before Abraham was, I am." If this saying does not mean pre-existence it is because probably you do not understand what pre-existence is.
Prior to Abraham becoming it, I am he. πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί prin abraam genesthai, egw eimi

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2 - God is able to make any and all things but one, to do what you wish He did or should have done. The Lord does not work that way.
Rubbish. You want him not to raise and wake the dead. You are the wishful thinker not me. God is limited only by his morals. Waiting to raise the dead is immoral. The wicked would live longer than they should and they would have eternal bliss in Jewish soul sleep.
 
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The Jews were expecting a sort of 'Neo David' that would raise Hell against their enemies with an iron fist.

That's why the Jews rejected Christ. Pretty simple, really.
 

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The Jews were expecting a sort of 'Neo David' that would raise Hell against their enemies with an iron fist.

That's why the Jews rejected Christ. Pretty simple, really.

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And that "Neo-David who would raise Hell against their enemies with an iron fist" is exactly what God prophets predicted.

And the Christian messiah didn't fulfil those prophecies, and therefore he is not accepted.

Pretty simple really:

Micha 5:2-9; "But thou Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for NOW shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders. And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men. And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off."

Here we have very clearly physical redemption from earthly enemies: "And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword", "Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off." These are very clear verses that can not be misinterpreted; when the messiah comes the Jewish enemies are going to be slaughtered. And the one coming forth from Bethlehem is to be a ruler in Israel, that is a king, or maybe nowadays a president, but not a wandering preacher and miracle healer.

Zacheriah 9:9-10; "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***. And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth."

They say that he did ride on a donkey, like the whole Middle East in those days, but that is where it stops. He did not bring any peace, the battle bow, the horses and the chariots, symbols of war, were not cut off from Jerusalem, and his dominion was not from sea to sea and to the ends of the earth; as a matter of fact, he did not have any dominion at all.

In order to get around this problem, the Christian church invented the "second coming". However, nowhere in the Hebrew scriptures is it written that the messiah would come once, get himself killed, and come again in a second coming. This is a pure rationalization of Jesus' failure to function in any way as a messiah. Nowhere in any of the above prophecies does it indicate that there will be a gap of at least 2000 years between the birth of the messiah and the redemption. Nowhere does it speak about a messiah being tortured to death and coming back thousands of years later.

Jeremiah 23:5-6; "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."

Jeremiah 33:14-16: "IN THOSE DAYS AND AT THAT TIME, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. IN THOSE DAYS shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness."

When the branch of righteousness springs forth to David, when the messiah comes, THEN, IN THOSE DAYS, Judah will be saved and Jerusalem shall dwell safely. That means that it is impossible to squeeze in two thousand or more years between the coming of the messiah and the redemption of Judah and Jerusalem. Out goes the 'second coming'. However, there wasn't any redemption in the days of Jesus. Forty years after his death, in 70 CE, Jerusalem was totally destroyed by the Romans, the second Temple was burned down, and the Jews exiled. No way that the above prophecy was fulfilled.

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Isaiah 11; "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious."

Also here we have a messiah who is going to kill the evil people: "And he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." And after that we get the better world, when it says: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them etc." This is what is supposed to happen, as soon as there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse (the father of King David) and a Branch shall grow out of his roots; that is as soon as the messiah comes. Nowhere here is mentioned that the messiah will be killed and that these prophecies will happen at least 2000 years later. On the contrary; when the messiah comes redemption comes. And also for this messianic prophecy you don't have to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist in order to see that it is not fulfilled. Nothing of this all was done by Jesus. Conclusion: He was not the messiah.


"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".

Micah 4:5
 

Ben Masada

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The Jews were expecting a sort of 'Neo David' that would raise Hell against their enemies with an iron fist.

That's why the Jews rejected Christ. Pretty simple, really.

We don't expect a Messiah. We are the Messiah. Messiah means the anointed one of the Lord. If you read Prophet Habakkuk 3:13, "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His anointed One." That's what the Messiah is, the anointed one of the Lord aka the People of Israel. Isaiah 53 speaks about the Messiah and, the same Prophet identifies him with Israel if you read Isaiah 41:8,9 and 44:1,2,21.
 

Ben Masada

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Prior to Abraham becoming it, I am he.

Rubbish. You want him not to raise and wake the dead. You are the wishful thinker not me. God is limited only by his moral. Waiting to raise the dead is immoral. Wicked would live longer than thy should and they would have eternal bliss in Jewish soul sleep.

Rather what you say is rubbish. Do you want to know why? Because that's not what I wish but what the Lord has decided to be. Do you think that what King David said was rubbish? Read II Sam. 12:23. He said that once dead, no one will ever return from the grave. And that the Lord Himself does not bring back any one dead to life. (II Sam. 14:14) Try Isaiah 26:14 too. The same point. And for Job, if you read 7:9; and 10:21, "He who goes down to the grave shall come up no more." Were they all talking rubbish? I can't believe you!
 

Ben Masada

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Obviously taken out of context by you.

Please reread it. His disciples were not saying this, but the crowd was. But what does Pilate accuse him of being? ὁ βασιλεῦς τῶν Ἰουδαίων "a king of Jews"-- Pilate accuses him of being.

Yes, because Jesus' disciples were acclaiming him king of the Jews in a Roman province which was Jerusalem at that time. Jesus did not have only apostles. He had 70 disciples too and this was a crowd. Read your NT. (Luke 19:37-40)
 

Ben Masada

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What do I mean ? Can you read ? What does Jn 10:26 say ?

Jesus can no longer herd sheep. He has been dead for 2000 years already. He was a Jew and not a Christian. Jews once dead can never return from the grave. Read II Sam. 12:23; 14:14; Isaiah 26:14; Job 7:9; 10:21.
 

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Jesus can no longer herd sheep. He has been dead for 2000 years already. He was a Jew and not a Christian. Jews once dead can never return from the grave. Read II Sam. 12:23; 14:14; Isaiah 26:14; Job 7:9; 10:21.

What does John 10:26 say ?
 

Ben Masada

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There is nothing supernatural about being the uniquely begotten son. You are committing idolatry here.

Supernatural is to claim that an individual was son of God without a biological father as you guys claim about Jesus. (Mat. 1:18) What I claim is written in Exodus 4:22,23 where the Lord says, "Israel is My son..."
 
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