Please quote me where I said that "the Berlin Wall was fine".
Why Don't the Liberals Want a Wall?
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ok doser
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"this young feller put himself in my way"
lie
"so i couldn't move"
lie
from what i've found, there were three groups
- high spirited kids from high school, having fun, no anger, no "scary rip you apart" crap (a quote from the old fool)
- idiot racist loud-mouthed negro "street preachers" who were taunting the kids
- and idiot lying drum-beating old guy, who waded into the crowd of kids who were bothering no one, until he reached the kid who didn't want to move, who stood there smiling at him
i'm gonna say that again - smiling at the old moron with drum
not snarling, not threatening, not raising his fists, even while the old fool beat his silly drum right in the kid's face
smiling
drbrumley
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ok doser
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not to speak for JR, but a wall is a wall - it's neither good nor evil
the use to which it is put can be good or evil
drbrumley
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And that is true....a wall is just a wall. The Berlin Wall, well, was just a wall. There is nothing to say when the United States gets even more evil as each day passes, that this supposed wall on the southern border will be there to prevent anyone from coming in, but from keeping us in.
ok doser
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well, bammy tried to wreck the economy, bring us down to third world status
i spose we could try that again :idunno:
ok doser
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twelve minute video, different perspectives, proving phillips is a lying piece of crap
and i don't give a crap that he was a veteran or a native american "elder" - neither of those automatically confers respect, imo
if i was those kids, i'd file a class action lawsuit against CNN
drbrumley
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Government Interference in the Labor Market: The Real Immigration Problem
By E. Berton Spence
The "debate" between the major political parties in the U.S. regarding immigration shows that both camps entirely fail to grasp the reasons for the massive influx of recent years. If more people in the U.S. either understood the nature of a free labor market or were free from selfish reasons for wanting to promote its opposite, we would not be having our current immigration debate. Illegal immigration into the U.S. is a natural and expected result of government distortion of the market for labor.
drbrumley
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Either through unawareness or deliberate avoidance of this, one major party is proposing, in essence, a maintenance of the status quo (amnesty and eventual citizenship for illegal aliens). The other would take things further, actively encouraging additional immigration in hopes of registering new voters for itself. The unintentionally humorous aspect of this supposed (slight) difference of position is that the mere discussion of the "status quo" option is already encouraging an increase in illegal immigration as aliens rush to enter the U.S. in time to be "grandfathered" by whatever new law is eventually passed. Most of those persons who eventually become U.S. voters can be expected to vote not for the party that proposed the "status quo" option, but for the other party. Regardless of this imbecilic political wrangling, however, it is evident that neither proposed "solution" shows any evidence that its proponents understand what is happening or why.
drbrumley
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Whenever the fact that people who are simply trying to make a better life for themselves – to improve their housing, their clothing, their diet, the education of their children — is viewed as a problem, it is relatively certain that the real problem lies in state interference with natural market forces. And so it is with immigration. The problem is not that people want to come to the U.S. The only problems lie in why they want to come to the U.S.
"An example of this would be the Berlin wall" is referring to "a border wall" being "used by wicked people for wicked things."
Nowhere did I say that the Berlin wall specifically was a good thing.
drbrumley
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The first problem is the existence of the welfare state, which creates a disincentive to work among those already able to participate in it (citizens and some non-citizen immigrants already here). As non-workers' needs are met by redistribution of property confiscated from productive workers, the labor pool shrinks. Many find that they can live as well from the work of others as they could live from their own labor and logically, if not admirably, decide not to work. This coerced "charity" likewise attracts new participants to the system. Hence, people from the lower rungs of economically-backward societies are clamoring to be allowed to participate in our welfare system.
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The second problem is the massive web of “employment law” (minimum wages, anti-discrimination schemes, statutes that create artificial bargaining advantages for unions, wage-and-hour laws, OSHA regulations, workers compensation laws, mandates on employer-provided insurance coverage, requirements of accommodation for disabilities; etc. etc.) that makes it artificially (i.e., something other than what an unfettered market would achieve without such interference) expensive to hire U.S. citizens.
drbrumley
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Both of these methods of interference in the labor market work together to promote illegal immigration. One type of immigrant comes to access welfare benefits (many of which are available regardless of legal residency status) such as "free" healthcare at emergency rooms in U.S. hospitals. Another comes to sell his labor at a mutually-agreeable (between himself and the employer) rate that is far below the cost to the employer of hiring a U.S. citizen, if the employer could even find a U.S. citizen that would rather take the job than participate in the welfare system. A third type is a mixture of both; a person who comes to work, but who also takes advantage of publicly-funded schools, job training programs, etc., all while working illegally and paying a minimum of taxes in the U.S. (presumably such a person spends a certain amount and thus pays some retail sales tax).
drbrumley
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The illegal immigrant who comes to sell his labor can do so more cheaply than any U.S. citizen of comparable ability and skill because his status as an illegal (for the most part) prevents him from invoking U.S. labor laws on his own behalf. The government, in the guise of "protecting" the U.S. worker, has priced him out of the market. So long as an employer can hire illegals and in so doing save more money than he is likely to ever pay in fines for violation of immigration laws, he is likely to do so.