When does the biblical day begin?

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

but He had instructed the original Passover which well shows killing between the evenings or afternoon and eating that SAME DAY means exactly that the next day doesnt happen at sundown...as the Wrath passed over on the 14th the SAME DAY the lambs were killed...

up as day turning into evening then into night

and night turns into morning completing the first day



If night begins the day...what separated the first night of the first day from the darkness that hovered over the waters?

Evening NEEDS LIGHT...diminishing light...from the DAY which was created then turning into evening into night into morning= the first day...

He created Light and called it DAY...it became evening...

If night comes before day there needs to be an evening that separated the darkness from the night of the first day...evening was not created...DAY was...not diminishing light DAY was...then diminished...and this pattern occured six times to make the week which ended with rest...the Sabbath...also made for man...still

Is why today its TGIF...because after six days of work tomorrow is a DAY of rest...nice right?

TGIF He knew what He was doing...

but He had instructed the original Passover which well shows killing between the evenings or afternoon and eating that SAME DAY means exactly that Exodus 12:8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

the next day doesnt happen at sundown...as the Wrath passed over on the 14th the SAME DAY the lambs were killed...No, it was at midnight: Exodus 12:29 At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.

up as day turning into evening then into night

and night turns into morning completing the first day No. the day starts at sunset:Genesis 1:5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening,

If night begins the day...what separated the first night of the first day from the darkness that hovered over the waters?That light created on day 1 was a supenatural light different from the light that comes from the sun, which was created on day four. The supernatural light vanished at the fall but will return when God makes the new Earth: Revelation 21:23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.

Evening NEEDS LIGHT...diminishing light...from the DAY which was created then turning into evening into night into morning= the first day...

He created Light and called it DAY...it became evening...

If night comes before day there needs to be an evening that separated the darkness from the night of the first day...evening was not created...DAY was...not diminishing light DAY was...then diminished...and this pattern occured six times to make the week which ended with rest...the Sabbath...also made for man...still

Is why today its TGIF...because after six days of work tomorrow is a DAY of rest...nice right?

TGIF He knew what He was doing...



evening
ˈiːv(ə)nɪŋ/Submit
noun
1.
the period of time at the end of the day, usually from about 6 p.m. to bedtime.
"it was seven o'clock in the evening"
synonyms: night, late afternoon, end of day, close of day; More
adverb
1.
informal
in the evening; every evening.
"Saturday evenings he invariably fell asleep"


morning
ˈmɔːnɪŋ/Submit
noun
1.
the period of time between midnight and noon, especially from sunrise to noon.
"I've got a meeting this morning"
synonyms: before noon, before lunch(time), a.m.; More
adverbinformal
1.
every morning.
"mornings, she'd sleep late"




night
nʌɪt/Submit
noun
1.
the period from sunset to sunrise in each twenty-four hours.
"a moonless night"
synonyms: darkness, dark, hours of darkness, night-time, dead of night
2.
the period between afternoon and bedtime; an evening.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

The verse is telling us when the day ends. In the morning. And that is when a new day begins.

The verse is showing the progression of the day from morning to morning. The day begins to end in the evening and then the night comes and the day ends in the morning and another day starts. We see the same truth here:

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Mt.28:1).​

The two Marys came to the tomb at the rising of the sun (Mk.16:2) and so that morning marked the beginning of the first day of the week.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

The Passover is killed the 14th and the Feast of Passover is seven days during which unleavened bread must be eaten. That's the way it was in Moses time, that's the way it was in Jesus' time, and that's the way it will be in the King's time.

And it is the way thatit will always be in your mind because you refuse to believe the Scriptures on this subject. According to your ideas the entire celebration lasts seven days even though the Scriptures reveal that it lasts eight days:

"And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD. And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten" (Num.28:16-17).​

Your education is lacking because you still have not learned that one plus seven equals eight, not seven.

You still have not explained the disappearance of that one day!

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Yup then came the entire week of celebration including when the lamb was killed on the 14th

Yes, the lamb was killed on the 14th:

"Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening" (Ex.12:5-6).​

So these verses are describing what happened on the 14th, and not the 13th, as you imagine:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer" (Lk.22:7-15).​

 

[jamie]

Your education is lacking because you still have not learned that one plus seven equals eight, not seven.

That may be true or you may be bearing false witness, after all, it's scripture that defines Unleavened Bread as seven days.

I suspect you have never observed Unleavened Bread but you are trying to tell others how to do it.

Weird. Yeah, that's weird.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

The verse is telling us when the day ends. In the morning. And that is when a new day begins.

The verse is showing the progression of the day from morning to morning. The day begins to end in the evening and then the night comes and the day ends in the morning and another day starts. We see the same truth here:

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Mt.28:1).​

The two Marys came to the tomb at the rising of the sun (Mk.16:2) and so that morning marked the beginning of the first day of the week.

It says evening is followed by morning which is a day. Here are the definitions of what evening and morning mean:

evening
ˈiːv(ə)nɪŋ/Submit
noun
1.
the period of time at the end of the day, usually from about 6 p.m. to bedtime.
"it was seven o'clock in the evening"
synonyms: night, late afternoon, end of day, close of day; More
adverb
1.
informal
in the evening; every evening.
"Saturday evenings he invariably fell asleep"


morning
ˈmɔːnɪŋ/Submit
noun
1.
the period of time between midnight and noon, especially from sunrise to noon.
"I've got a meeting this morning"
synonyms: before noon, before lunch(time), a.m.; More
adverbinformal
1.
every morning.
"mornings, she'd sleep late"

And the verse you quote clearly state the it is dawn ON the first day after the Sabbath, and not dawn at the start of the first day:

Matthew 28
1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

And Mark also states clearly that it was early ON the first day of the week just after sunrise, and not at the beginning of the day.

Mark 16:2
Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb

 

[WeberHome]

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When people are unaware of the existence of special sabbaths, they invariably misunderstand John 19:31 to be speaking of the weekly seventh-day sabbath instead of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; which commences at night with the Passover dinner of roasted lambs that were slaughtered and cooked that afternoon prior to sundown.

Seeing as how sabbaths run from sundown to sundown, then the Passover's lambs are eaten during a sabbath night.

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[clefty]

The verse is telling us when the day ends. In the morning. And that is when a new day begins.

The verse is showing the progression of the day from morning to morning. The day begins to end in the evening and then the night comes and the day ends in the morning and another day starts. We see the same truth here:

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Mt.28:1).​

The two Marys came to the tomb at the rising of the sun (Mk.16:2) and so that morning marked the beginning of the first day of the week.

Yup...and they found the tomb empty...He had risen before dawn...no sunday resurrection

The evening ends the daylight portion of the day and the morning ends the night time portion of the same day...morning is beginning of the next day

And there came to be evening (after light was made) and there came to be morning = the first day

 

[Jerry Shugart]

And the verse you quote clearly state the it is dawn ON the first day after the Sabbath, and not dawn at the start of the first day:

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Mt.28:1).​

Here the Greek words translated "in the end" means "late in the day...the sabbath just passed" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon).

So the meaning is that as the sabbath was ending it was approaching the first day of the week and that day began at the rising of the sun.

 

[WeberHome]

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Well; seeing as how Lev 23:32 reveals the existence of sabbaths other than the usual seventh-day repose (see post #216) then I'm convinced in my own mind that there were two sabbaths during crucifixion week.

There was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread which commenced at sundown the day that Christ was crucified, and there was the regular week-end sabbath spoken of at Matt 28:1 and Mark 16:1-2.

So the real challenge is not finding the three days and three nights the Lord predicted at Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-21. No, an even more difficult challenge is figuring out where to place those two sabbaths in crucifixion week's order of events.

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[Jerry Shugart]

That may be true or you may be bearing false witness, after all, it's scripture that defines Unleavened Bread as seven days.

Yes, the "feast of unleavened bread" was made up of seven days when unleavened bread was eaten, and that feast began on the 15th.

On the other hand, the passover feast began on the 14th, and on that day unleavened bread was also eaten (Ex.12:8).

So seven plus one equals eight. According to your ideas the two feasts were merged and therefore there are were only seven days when unleavened bread was eaten with the meals!

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Yup...and they found the tomb empty...He had risen before dawn...no sunday resurrection

That is not what we were discussing. Instead, you said that these events happened on the 13th day:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer" (Lk.22:7-15).​

However, the Scriptures reveal that the passover lamb was killed on the 14th and not the 13th:

"Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening" (Ex.12:5-6).​

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Mt.28:1).​

Here the Greek words translated "in the end" means "late in the day...the sabbath just passed" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon).

So the meaning is that as the sabbath was ending it was approaching the first day of the week and that day began at the rising of the sun.

If you think God waited 4000 years before He thought to tell us in His word when the day began and ended then I can't help you. God made this teaching very clear in the very first verses of His Holy Word, in the very first week. I don't know of any Jews who think the day begins at sunrise either.

The verse you keep referring to could be clearer but the writer wasn't focusing on explaining when the day begins or ends as this was common knowledge. He was trying to convey that the two Mary's were the first to visit the tomb. However, even taking this verse alone you cannot say that the day begins at dawn as it clearly says that the day was dawning but that of course happens after the night which is part of the day; i.e. evening and morning - as it states in Genesis, 4000 years before this event:

Matthew 28:1 (NKJV)
28 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

 

[jamie]

Yes, the "feast of unleavened bread" was made up of seven days when unleavened bread was eaten, and that feast began on the 15th.

On the other hand, the passover feast began on the 14th, and on that day unleavened bread was also eaten (Ex.12:8).

So seven plus one equals eight. According to your ideas the two feasts were merged and therefore there are were only seven days when unleavened bread was eaten with the meals!

The 14th is not a feast day, it is a preparation day for the feast.

The Passover was not eaten on the 14th.

 

[WeberHome]

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the passover feast began on the 14th,

The Passover feast specifically begins at sundown on the 14th. (Ex 12:8, Lev 23:5, Num 9:3)

the "feast of unleavened bread" was made up of seven days when unleavened bread was eaten, and that feast began on the 15th.

Seeing as how the beginning of the 15th coincides with the end of the 14th, that puts the Passover dinner on the 15th seeing as how it's eaten at night rather than during daytime. You see; a daytime Passover dinner would be out of synch with the historical hours of the Jews' departure from Egypt.

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[clefty]

That is not what we were discussing. Instead, you said that these events happened on the 13th day:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer" (Lk.22:7-15).​

However, the Scriptures reveal that the passover lamb was killed on the 14th and not the 13th:

"Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening" (Ex.12:5-6).​

They got the room prepared for the Passover had a last supper and went out into the garden He got arrested hat same night...that morning next day was preparation day the 14th was when the lambs were killed and He was killed and laid into the tomb as others ate the Passover...which occurred that night...morning was l5th sabbath...

 

[jamie]

They got the room prepared for the Passover had a last supper and went out into the garden He got arrested hat same night...that morning next day was preparation day the 14th was when the lambs were killed and He was killed and laid into the tomb as others ate the Passover...which occurred that night...morning was l5th sabbath...

And Jesus instituted a NT Passover that does not require animal sacrifice, does not require circumcision, and does not require a pilgrimage to the temple ... we are the temple.

The Mosaic Passover is history and yet there is all this discussion about a Passover that is no longer applicable to anyone.

 

[S-word]

And Jesus instituted a NT Passover that does not require animal sacrifice, does not require circumcision, and does not require a pilgrimage to the temple ... we are the temple.

The Mosaic Passover is history and yet there is all this discussion about a Passover that is no longer applicable to anyone.

Sorry Jamie, but the Passover is still applicable to everyone. Just as Adam died at the age of 930 on the day that he ate of the forbidden fruit, and the Highest Sabbath that is almost upon us, which is the day of the Lord, that is the reality of the weekly Sabbath, in which the risen body of the anointed one will take the thrones that have been prepared for them and reign as kings for a thousand years, the Passover, when the angel of death shall Passover the earth, is closer than you might think.

 

[clefty]

And Jesus instituted a NT Passover that does not require animal sacrifice, does not require circumcision, and does not require a pilgrimage to the temple ... we are the temple.

The Mosaic Passover is history and yet there is all this discussion about a Passover that is no longer applicable to anyone.

Wow what? Paul says to celebrate the feast with the new unleavened bread of truth and spirit but mentions no new timing...

Breaking bread together certainly is not always the Lord's supper as Paul knew how to say Lord's supper in Greek but did not always say so...

 

[clefty]

Sorry Jamie, but the Passover is still applicable to everyone. Just as Adam died at the age of 930 on the day that he ate of the forbidden fruit, and the Highest Sabbath that is almost upon us, which is the day of the Lord, that is the reality of the weekly Sabbath, in which the risen body of the anointed one will take the thrones that have been prepared for them and reign as kings for a thousand years, the Passover, when the angel of death shall Passover the earth, is closer than you might think.

So the Passover remains applicable to everyone but the Sabbath does not? Hmmmm...