Trump: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

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Gary K

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Conservatives find one conspiracy theorist "credible," but are quick to dismiss the testimony of 2 dozen women concerning the "extra curricular activities" of "The Donald" and Judge Roy Moore - and these women aren't trying to turn a profit by promoting a book!

LOL. OK. The following link is for you.

http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2008/10/07
 

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The following link is an even better interview of Kevin Shipp by John Bell. This is pretty much a must see interview. Shipp goes into a lot of what we are beginning to see in the media and the vast amount of corruption in the US government. This is a wide-ranging and comprehensive interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCiGTdtiOf4
The CIA controls the government and information. They can black out anything and everything they want fro any reports, 911, JFK, Torture Report, Fast and Furious, etc. Nobody can make them tell the people. They have engaged in smearing Trump and plan to remove him any way they can. It's an Un-Constitutional Monster.

 

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Related: AMR posted a link in another thread that had an interesting notion, "the apocalyptic and religious nature of climate change alarmism."

Some more quotes:

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I guess I'm not too surprised to see Robert Brimsmead saying what he has. What really points towards what he is now teaching being false is that anthropogenic global warming is not supported by the majority of conservative Christians who believe in a world ruined by sin and the return of our Savior. What he is now saying has its roots in the political left, and is pushed daily by the political left that sees creation and God as irrelevent, if not outright false, and see the world as evolving to higher plane through the process of evolution and separation from God and Biblical beliefs.

IOWs, the reality of what he addressed is exactly the opposite of what he is saying it is.
 

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The CIA controls the government and information. They can black out anything and everything they want fro any reports, 911, JFK, Torture Report, Fast and Furious, etc. Nobody can make them tell the people. They have engaged in smearing Trump and plan to remove him any way they can. It's an Un-Constitutional Monster.

Given that the Director of the CIA is a Trump appointee, "patrick jane " has flair for the dramatic!

Nobody has to engage in smearing "The Donald," he has an aptitude for undermining his own credibility on a daily basis!

If Trump is replaced, it will probably come as a result of the 25th Amendment which allows the Vice President and the Cabinet to remove him from office - something that must keep "The Donald" awake at night given the mentions on Twitter!
 

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Bad: Bad for race relations. Democrat Lewis boycotts Civil Rights Museum opening, because Trump is so racist.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...p-civil-rights-museum-visit-article-1.3684316


[FONT="]Lewis, who also boycotted Trump’s inauguration, was scheduled to be a keynote speaker at the event due to his history in the state.[/FONT]

I can understand Lewis' reaction but ultimately I don't think a boycott is the right approach. In this case I'm not sure Trump could win either way. If he goes, Lewis boycotts. If he is invited and doesn't go then he'd likely get criticism for not going. No one needs to pretend that Trump is a champion for racial justice now but what good does boycotting his presence do. We should want Trump to do things like this. But it'd be important to see what he does going forward. He can't do something like this and then still be wishy washy about white nationalists.
 

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Conservatives find one conspiracy theorist "credible," but are quick to dismiss the testimony of 2 dozen women concerning the "extra curricular activities" of "The Donald" and Judge Roy Moore - and these women aren't trying to turn a profit by promoting a book!

Here, this tops your cartoon - Donald - The Admitted Sexual Predator "Sex in common with daughter...Ivanka" - Trump himself.

I had thought Clinton had been low - but Trump's lewdness where his own daughter is concerned is lower than low.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWxkauh6lyA&app=desktop
 
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The Trump-Russia Probe Is About to Get Uglier
Unpleasant facts are spilling out. Republicans don't want to know them.


There are three avenues Mueller is exploring.

1. Did the Trump team aid and abet the Russian efforts to hack and steal e-mails with an eye toward influencing with the U.S. presidential election?

2. Did the president try to obstruct the investigation into those efforts?

3. What was the nature of any financial arrangements Trump may have had with Russians linked to the Kremlin? Many of the Trump defenses seem to be unraveling.[/FONT][/COLOR]​


Here are two certainties about the Trump-Russia investigation. It won't end soon. It will get uglier.

A new shoe drops almost daily in special counsel Robert Mueller's probe. First, Former national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying and agreed to cooperate. Then the White House changed its story (again) on what President Donald Trump knew after he was first advised in January that Flynn posed security problems.

QuickTake Guide to the Trump-Russia Probe

Last week came news that Mueller had subpoenaed financial records from Deutsche Bank pertaining to people affiliated with Trump. Then Donald Trump Jr. said he wouldn't tell Congress about conversations he had with his father about his 2016 meeting with a Kremlin-linked Russian lawyer, invoking a dubious claim of attorney-client privilege.

This is not a saga in its closing chapter.

Equally clear is that no matter what is revealed, Trump and his allies won't go quietly. Already, some congressional Republicans are trying to smear Mueller, the most experienced and respected special counsel in more than 40 years. If cornered, does anyone doubt that Trump will summon his core supporters to the streets?

The constant revelations create such a blur that context sometimes is overlooked. Trump and his operatives have lied repeatedly, denying that they had any contacts with Russians. Now we now know of at least 19 meetings among 31 interactions.

There are three avenues Mueller is exploring. Did the Trump team aid and abet the Russian efforts to hack and steal e-mails with an eye toward influencing with the U.S. presidential election? Did the president try to obstruct the investigation into those efforts? What was the nature of any financial arrangements Trump may have had with Russians linked to the Kremlin? Many of the Trump defenses seem to be unraveling.

U.S. intelligence agencies have reported "with high confidence" that the Russian government was behind break-ins to the email accounts of Democratic operatives during the 2016 presidential campaign as part of a campaign to "undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process" and harm Hillary Clinton's "electability and potential presidency." In a January report, the agencies said that Russian President Vladimir Putin and his government "developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump."

The question now is whether Trump or his team knew about this and facilitated the dissemination of the stolen material through WikiLeaks and other sources. The secrecy and contradictory accounts of their communications with Russian sources undercuts their repeated claims that their contacts were innocent.

By last week, Trump opponents were taking to public forums to talk about the evidence supporting an obstruction-of-justice case against Trump himself. That's based on a chain of events involving Trump's effort to pressure James Comey to drop the Russia probe and then firing him as director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation when he didn't.

News organizations have also reported that Trump tried to influence other key officials to curtail investigations, including National Intelligence Director Dan Coats, National Security Agency director Admiral Mike Rogers and Senate Intelligence Committee chair Richard Burr. Coats and the others have avoided commenting directly on these accounts, which nevertheless appear to worry the White House enough to produce a claim last week by Trump's personal lawyer, John Dowd, that a president can never be guilty of obstruction because he is the chief law-enforcement officer under the Constitution.

That drew scornful responses from legal scholars and even some pushback from the White House lawyer handling the Russia case. As well it should; obstruction was the central impeachment charge against Presidents Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton.

Duke University law professor Samuel Buell, a former prosecutor, wrote in July that "it is highly likely that special counsel Robert Mueller will find that there is a provable case that the president committed a felony offense," namely obstruction.

And that's keeping in mind an important reminder from Bill Ruckelshaus, a former acting FBI director who was a hero of Watergate when he quit Nixon's Justice Department in 1973 rather than following an order to impede the investigation of that landmark case. What's publicly known about inquiries like this one, he told me in June, is just a little of what's actually happening.

There is, for example, evidence that Mueller has expanded his investigation to look at financial deals involving Trump family interests.

Robert Anderson, a top counterintelligence and cybersecurity aide to Mueller when the latter was FBI director from 2001 to 2013, wrote in Time last month that Mueller "appears to have uncovered details of a far-reaching Russian political-influence campaign." Anderson predicted that the conspiracy would prove to involve wire fraud, mail fraud and moving money around illicitly between countries. He said more informants are likely to emerge, and declared, "When the people who may be cooperating with the investigation start consensually recording conversations, it's all over."

The issue of whether a sitting president can be indicted is unsettled. Those who know Mueller believe that he's less likely to pursue a prosecution than to send Trump's case to Congress to consider impeachment.

Trump loyalists have already started fighting that battle, with bitter preemptive counterattacks issuing from top congressional Republicans like House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy and even Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Charles Grassley. They've made it clear that they're more interested in discrediting Mueller than in learning about what happened between the Trump camp and Russia.

Trump, if caged, will lash out furiously. Maybe he'd try to fire Mueller and issue pardons for his family and friends. He'd rally his hardcore supporters, urging them to protest against the threat to him. Thus it's impossible to envision a peaceful resolution like the one that occurred in 1974, when Nixon was forced out to avoid impeachment.

"At the end of the day, Richard Nixon was found to have a sense of shame," notes Watergate prosecutor Richard Ben-Veniste. "It remains to be seen whether anything can shame Donald Trump."


 

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[h=1]Top DOJ official demoted amid probe of contacts with Trump dossier firm[/h]

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A senior Justice Department official was demoted this week amid an ongoing investigation into his contacts with the opposition research firm responsible for the anti-Trump “dossier,” the department confirmed to Fox News.

Until Wednesday morning, Bruce G. Ohr held two titles at DOJ: associate deputy attorney general, a post that placed him four doors down from his boss, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein; and director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces (OCDETF), a program described by the department as “the centerpiece of the attorney general’s drug strategy.”
Ohr will retain his OCDETF title but has been stripped of his higher post and ousted from his office on the fourth floor of “Main Justice.”
Initially senior department officials could not provide the reason for Ohr’s demotion, but Fox News has learned that evidence collected by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), chaired by Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., indicates that Ohr met during the 2016 campaign with Christopher Steele, the former British spy who authored the “dossier.”
Later, a Justice Department official told Fox News: "It is unusual for anyone to wear two hats as he has done recently. This person is going to go back to a single focus—director of our organized crime and drug enforcement unit. As you know, combating transnational criminal organizations and drug trafficking is a top priority for the attorney general."
Additionally, House investigators have determined that Ohr met shortly after the election with Glenn Simpson, the founder of Fusion GPS – the opposition research firm that hired Steele to compile the dossier with funds supplied by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. By that point, according to published reports, the dossier had been in the hands of the FBI, which exists under the aegis of DOJ, for some five months, and the surveillance on Carter Page, an adviser to the Trump campaign, had started more than two months prior.
Read More: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...d-probe-contacts-with-trump-dossier-firm.html


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This is the list of ‘eyewitnesses’ the White House says exonerate Trump


On Monday, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders promised that she would produce a list of eyewitnesses to exonerate President Trump from allegations of sexual harassment and assault. In a statement, the White House said these eyewitnesses “totally disputed in most cases” the accusations that women have raised against Trump.

Late Monday night, Sanders sent the list

Katie Blair is offered by the White House as an “eyewitness” who disputes the account of Samantha Holvey, who alleges “Trump personally inspected each of the contestants” at an event prior to the 2006 Miss USA pageant. Holvey said it was “the dirtiest I felt in my entire life.” She also said that Trump went into a dressing room while some of the contestants were getting ready.

Melissa Young was also offered as an “eyewitness” who disputes the account of Samantha Holvey. The White House list describes Young as someone who “Also Competed In The 2005 Miss USA Pageant.”

Anthony Gilberthorpe first emerged during Trump’s presidential campaign and claimed to be an eyewitness disputing the account of Jessica Leeds, who says Trump groped her on an airplane in 1980. Gilberthorpe’s name does not appear on the document provided by the White House, which simply refers to him as “an eyewitness.”

Gliberthorpe’s specific claim about Leeds has no independent backing but is based on his “self-described excellent memory.” He claims that, as an 18-year-old British boy, he was in the first class cabin of a U.S. domestic flight. Although he claims “nothing inappropriate” happened, he says he remembers the interactions between Trump and Leeds exactly and monitored their behavior the entire flight. According to Gilberthorpe, Leeds was flirting with Trump. Later Gilberthorpe claims that Leeds, then in her 30s, confided in him (an 18-year-old stranger) that she wanted to marry Trump.



That settles it then
 

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This is the list of ‘eyewitnesses’ the White House says exonerate Trump


On Monday, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders promised that she would produce a list of eyewitnesses to exonerate President Trump from allegations of sexual harassment and assault. In a statement, the White House said these eyewitnesses “totally disputed in most cases” the accusations that women have raised against Trump.

Late Monday night, Sanders sent the list

Katie Blair is offered by the White House as an “eyewitness” who disputes the account of Samantha Holvey, who alleges “Trump personally inspected each of the contestants” at an event prior to the 2006 Miss USA pageant. Holvey said it was “the dirtiest I felt in my entire life.” She also said that Trump went into a dressing room while some of the contestants were getting ready.

Melissa Young was also offered as an “eyewitness” who disputes the account of Samantha Holvey. The White House list describes Young as someone who “Also Competed In The 2005 Miss USA Pageant.”

Anthony Gilberthorpe first emerged during Trump’s presidential campaign and claimed to be an eyewitness disputing the account of Jessica Leeds, who says Trump groped her on an airplane in 1980. Gilberthorpe’s name does not appear on the document provided by the White House, which simply refers to him as “an eyewitness.”

Gliberthorpe’s specific claim about Leeds has no independent backing but is based on his “self-described excellent memory.” He claims that, as an 18-year-old British boy, he was in the first class cabin of a U.S. domestic flight. Although he claims “nothing inappropriate” happened, he says he remembers the interactions between Trump and Leeds exactly and monitored their behavior the entire flight. According to Gilberthorpe, Leeds was flirting with Trump. Later Gilberthorpe claims that Leeds, then in her 30s, confided in him (an 18-year-old stranger) that she wanted to marry Trump.



That settles it then

So if some dreamy eyed fool ends up deluded by her having idealized a married man into her further dreaming wanting to marry him; that somehow makes it alright for that man to seize on that to his equally corrupt advantange against her.

Now why does that sound so much like all those other women throughout Hollywood telling of a similar shock to their sense of reality at the hands of some sexual predator in power they each the made the mistake of idealizing in one way or another?

Considering how many a women has had that kind of a moment turned into their night mare - and in Trump's case, by an individual who himself has professed his taking vile advantage of his celebrity as permission to be a sexual predator of women - nope, I'm not buying Trump's supposed innocence.

HE will have to prove otherwise.

The stack is stacked against him; thanks to his own, consistent and ever reckless carelessness for any thing but the moment his narcissism insists on.
 

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BAD: Special Counsels are formed only when a conflict or conflicts of interest exist - Houston we have a problem - As I type Trey Gowdy is hammering Rosenstein

I think there are more inflammatory texts but these are a few -

CBS News has obtained the text messages that former Special Counsel investigator Peter Strzok sent to his colleague Lisa Page, a senior FBI lawyer who was also working on the Mueller team at the time, Paula Reid reports. Here are some of the texts they exchanged over the course of the 2016 presidential campaign, while Strzok was a top official in the counterintelligence division:
In August 2015, Page wrote to Strzok, "I just saw my first Bernie Sander [SIC] bumper sticker. Made me want to key the car." Strzok replied, "He's an idiot like Trump. Figure they cancel each other out."
Strzok wonders in March 2016 whether Mr. Trump would "be a worse president than (Ted) Cruz?" Page responds, "Trump? Yes, I think so." Strzok then says Mr. Trump is "awful" and "an idiot." In early March, on Super Tuesday, Donald Trump had won seven states, compared to Ted Cruz's three, and it was clear by this point that he was the frontrunner for the Republican nomination.
Also in March, Page seems to be concerned about whether the things they say about Mr. Trump can be found out. "So look, you say we can text on that phone when we talk about Hillary because it cant be traced," she wrote.
In July 2016, the two mock the Trump campaign and Republicans over their convention guests and speakers, including a Duck Dynasty star and Scott Baio. Strzok writes to Page, "Its PATHETIC!"
Beyond the name-calling, the two also expressed their strong distaste for the Republican nominee in longer messages.
"HE [Trump] appears to have no ability to experience reverence which I [SIC] the foundation for any capacity to admire or serve anything bigger than self to want to learn about anything beyond self, to want to know and deeply honor the people around you," Strzok lamented. Page wrote back, "He's not ever going to become president, right? Right?"


On Election Day, Strzok expressed his dismay at seeing a map showing Mr. Trump winning -- he called it "f*****g terrifying," and a week after the election, Strzok and Page were also alarmed to see that Jeff Sessions was likely to be named attorney general.
"Sessions for AG," Strzok texted, along with a profanity. Page replied, "Good god."
During the campaign, Strzok led the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private server while she was secretary of state. The texts sent between Page and Strzok are dated between August 2015 and December 2016, the duration of the campaign. They raise concerns about Strzok's impartiality and will likely prompt more questions about the investigation into Clinton's server.
Strzok was dismissed from Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team in August, after he was suspected of sending the politically sensitive text messages. Strzok now works in the FBI's human resources department. Lisa Page, the other FBI agent involved in the text communications, had been working at the special counsel's office. But she had completed her detail there before the office became aware of the allegations. The special counsel's office declined to comment on the texts.
Page's and Strzok's apparent political sympathies extended to Congress, too. They also wrote messages disparaging House Speaker Paul Ryan, with Page expressing the hope that Ryan "fails and crashes in a blaze of glory" and Strzok responding that the GOP "needs to pull their head out of that *ss. Shows no sign of occurring any time soon."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/peter-strzok-lisa-page-texts-trump-idiot/


 

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BAD: Special Counsels are formed only when a conflict or conflicts of interest exist - Houston we have a problem - As I type Trey Gowdy is hammering Rosenstein

Gowdy is a wing-nut, but given his background, I suspect he understands it perfectly well. His loud indignancy is for the cameras. The Justice Department exists to enforce the law. It doesn't exist to pursue the kind of politicized witch hunts DT and his enablers in Congress may demand. The only reason a special council would be appointed is if there is a good reason that a normal prosecutor couldn't. It's far better for an ordinary prosecutor to handle cases if at all possible. In this case, no actual crime has been articulated, and even if it were, there would be no reason that a regular career prosecutor couldn't handle the case.

I think there are more inflammatory texts but these are a few -

CBS News has obtained the text messages that former Special Counsel investigator Peter Strzok sent to his colleague Lisa Page, a senior FBI lawyer who was also working on the Mueller team at the time, Paula Reid reports. Here are some of the texts they exchanged over the course of the 2016 presidential campaign, while Strzok was a top official in the counterintelligence division:
In August 2015, Page wrote to Strzok, "I just saw my first Bernie Sander [SIC] bumper sticker. Made me want to key the car." Strzok replied, "He's an idiot like Trump. Figure they cancel each other out."
Strzok wonders in March 2016 whether Mr. Trump would "be a worse president than (Ted) Cruz?" Page responds, "Trump? Yes, I think so." Strzok then says Mr. Trump is "awful" and "an idiot." In early March, on Super Tuesday, Donald Trump had won seven states, compared to Ted Cruz's three, and it was clear by this point that he was the frontrunner for the Republican nomination.
Also in March, Page seems to be concerned about whether the things they say about Mr. Trump can be found out. "So look, you say we can text on that phone when we talk about Hillary because it cant be traced," she wrote.
In July 2016, the two mock the Trump campaign and Republicans over their convention guests and speakers, including a Duck Dynasty star and Scott Baio. Strzok writes to Page, "Its PATHETIC!"
Beyond the name-calling, the two also expressed their strong distaste for the Republican nominee in longer messages.
"HE [Trump] appears to have no ability to experience reverence which I [SIC] the foundation for any capacity to admire or serve anything bigger than self to want to learn about anything beyond self, to want to know and deeply honor the people around you," Strzok lamented. Page wrote back, "He's not ever going to become president, right? Right?"


On Election Day, Strzok expressed his dismay at seeing a map showing Mr. Trump winning -- he called it "f*****g terrifying," and a week after the election, Strzok and Page were also alarmed to see that Jeff Sessions was likely to be named attorney general.
"Sessions for AG," Strzok texted, along with a profanity. Page replied, "Good god."
During the campaign, Strzok led the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private server while she was secretary of state. The texts sent between Page and Strzok are dated between August 2015 and December 2016, the duration of the campaign. They raise concerns about Strzok's impartiality and will likely prompt more questions about the investigation into Clinton's server.
Strzok was dismissed from Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team in August, after he was suspected of sending the politically sensitive text messages. Strzok now works in the FBI's human resources department. Lisa Page, the other FBI agent involved in the text communications, had been working at the special counsel's office. But she had completed her detail there before the office became aware of the allegations. The special counsel's office declined to comment on the texts.
Page's and Strzok's apparent political sympathies extended to Congress, too. They also wrote messages disparaging House Speaker Paul Ryan, with Page expressing the hope that Ryan "fails and crashes in a blaze of glory" and Strzok responding that the GOP "needs to pull their head out of that *ss. Shows no sign of occurring any time soon."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/peter-strzok-lisa-page-texts-trump-idiot/



It bears remembering that as long as it doesn't impact their work, a prosecutor's personal political opinions do not constitute a conflict of interest, as long as they do their job according to the law. I wonder if you think there's anyone who could possibly be neutral on the election.
 

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The political donations made by Robert Mueller's team are not evidence of bias
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President Trump's aides reportedly have begun looking for evidence that the legal team assembled by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has conflicts of interest. As part of their search, aides are looking at the legal team’s political donations. Based on evidence that at least seven of the 15 lawyers have previously given money to Democrats, it appears, the administration is gearing up to make the argument that Mueller’s team is biased and thus unable to reach impartial legal conclusions.

But it's hardly remarkable that most of Mueller's investigators appear to be Democratic donors. It would be shocking if they weren't.

Justice Department rules prohibit taking political affiliation into account when filling career positions at the agency, including those in the special counsel’s office. These rules are designed to ensure that legal investigations aren’t partisan affairs. When the rules were ignored by George W. Bush’s Department of Justice, it was a national scandal.

Political contributions to Democrats are exactly what we would expect from a group of top-tier lawyers.

If Mueller followed the law and hired lawyers without taking their political ideology into account, the odds are that he would hire mostly Democrats. The reason for this is simple: Lawyers tend to be liberal. Our research has shown that 68% of lawyers who have made any political contributions have given more money to Democrats than to Republicans.

This liberal slant is even more extreme among elite lawyers. Of attorneys who graduated from the country's most selective law schools — the "Top 14," as they're often called — 76% of those who make political contributions have given more money to Democrats than to Republicans.

Any employers, therefore, who seek to hire the most qualified attorneys, would typically end up hiring many liberals. Mueller presumably falls into that category.

http://beta.latimes.com/opinion/op-...ueller-investigation-bias-20170728-story.html

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- Justice Department rules prohibit taking political affiliation into account when filling career positions at the agency, including those in the special counsel’s office

- political contributions to Democrats are exactly what we would expect from a group of top-tier lawyers

-research has shown that 68% of lawyers who have made any political contributions have given more money to Democrats than to Republicans

- attorneys who graduated from the country's most selective law schools — the "Top 14," as they're often called — 76% of those who make political contributions have given more money to Democrats than to Republicans

- the veteran Washington lawyer President Trump hired to represent him in the Russia investigations, Ty Cobb, has donated thousands to Democrats over the past decade, including to Sen. Al Franken, President Obama and Sen. Bernie Sanders

- every year, the Supreme Court justices all hire four young lawyers to work as their clerks. Since 1960, 70% of the clerks who have made political donations have leaned to the left. And this is despite the fact that — unlike Mueller — Supreme Court justices can and do take ideology into account when hiring clerks. They simply end up hiring a lot of Democratic donors because the justices seek out the country's most exceptional young lawyers.

:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:

Is it any surprise that America's smartest and the best, including Trump's own lawyer, favour the Democrats over the Republicans?
 
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