Because their stated goal is to make all Muslims hate the west. And this kind of tolerance gives lie to his claim that Christians are hostile and violently opposed to Muslims.
toldailytopic: How do you feel about building a mosque at ground zero?
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Because their stated goal is to make all Muslims hate the west. And this kind of tolerance gives lie to his claim that Christians are hostile and violently opposed to Muslims.
Rauf is a Sufi so I guess a Sufi mosque.
Either the developers are embarrassingly ignorant or they are making a statement of victory. You cannot build a Sharia mosque with the name Cordoba, symbolic of a Muslim victory, on the site where a building was destroyed by the landing gear of an attacking plane and expect people having suffered 911 to think "Oh how wonderful."
Even if their intentions are not political, which I doubt, There is this problem of the golden rule. Any person capable of true compassion would know that they don't inflict their good intentions on another. I have not read anything from the developers that indicate they are even aware of the golden rule. The idea of not wanting to hurt others is completely dominated by the demand for "rights." Not once have I read about Muslim "obligations" concerning 911.
The issue is simple. Those that are ignorant of the Golden Rule demand "rights." Those that are aware of it become aware of their human obligations to the needs of others and would not seek to impose a mosque at the site of an attack by Muslim Terrorist planes. They would just build somewhere else.
This issue reveals those ignorant of "feeling" the Golden Rule..
elohiym
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Irrelevant. But, yes, it's legal.
My question is whether or not it is wrong, i.e. insensitive to the deceased sailors entombed there.
That only requires a "yes" or "no" answer from you; but I appreciate the levity. :chuckle:
elohiym
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Catholics are bigots by tradition.
For the record, I am completely intolerant of Islam and don't believe in "religious freedom."
Religious freedom is the antithesis of the gospel.
Skavau
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How do you think religion ought to be prohibited then? What religion(s)?
zoo22
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Not to mention that the Great Mosque of Cordoba had been [re]taken over from the Muslims by Christians and to this day is Catholic: The building houses The Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption. Oh, I just mentioned it. The last time Cordoba was conquered (during the Reconquista), it was by Christians, and it was the Muslims who were conquered. Now it's a very diverse city. The Great Mosque remains Catholic.
That's a very big difference from saying that "The Cordoba Mosque is named after a city in Spain where conquering Moors replaced a church with a mosque."
Tathagata
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There are no victims of the Sufis. They were not involved in the terror attacks.
Nope. I think you mean asceticism. Even if it were about pain, it would be self-inflicted, not on others.
Source?
If you say they are infiltrated, then the infiltrators aren't actually Sufis, they're pretending.
Again, this proves my point that Sufi isn't violent. You are only pointing out imposter Sufi's
There is no violence in the name of Buddhism, they probably just happened to be Buddhists. There is not one single violent passage in Buddhist scripture that advocates violence, so there is no way to use Buddhist doctrine to incite violence. It can only be considered violence in the name of Buddhism if actual Buddhist doctrines or texts actually can be interpreted to advocate violence.
The Bible, it is very easy to use scripture to justify violence, in Buddhist scripture, it's impossible to justify violence using scripture.
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You're Catholic?
Might I suggest a place to live where you won't be so infuriated by all the tolerance?
I don't see the part where Jesus says to force people to worship the right way.
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lightbringer
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Would love to see a link showing that it would be legal to park a boat there!
I lived on the island for five years and never saw any vessels parked (anchored) near the memorial...temporary docking at the memorial dock is allowed but only for short periods of time.
Good. :up:
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I suppose Muslims would view Koran burning as inflamatory? Maybe even declare a fatwa against the burners?
bybee
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I suppose Muslims would view Koran burning as inflamatory? Maybe even declare a fatwa against the burners?
bybee
Hmmmmmmm
I suppose Muslims would view Koran burning as inflamatory? Maybe even declare a fatwa against the burners?
bybee
Inflammatory? I don't doubt it. Declare a fatwa? :idunno:
But, bybee, don't tell me you actually would support burning Qurans?
It would serve no good purpose.
The Ground Zero Mosque is a political statement. Ground Zero must be free of politics in respect to the suffering caused by 911..
The Muslims are not happy with it nor should they be. All this cutsey pooh Interfaith stuff can't last. It is politics and no one wants to lose in politics.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/08/17/cordoba.mosque.spain/index.html
If a person feels the value of the Golden Rule and respects the sufferings of others at such a national tragedy, they seek to keep politics out of Ground Zero including politicially correct Sharia mosques.
If on the other hand, a person is motivated by political gain and the manipulation of "rights," then they fight for the mosque. I choose the golden rule and ask the mosque to be moved to another site
You can if the same place is symbolic of 2 things. They are choosing to focus on one aspect and you another. If they have ill motives and are trying to conceal them, using a name "Cordoba Initiative" is not a very subtle way of doing it. So instead of being ignorant or trying to declare victory, they are either ignorant or their motives aren't as nefarious as you think. And since I've seen no good evidence that they are trying to declare victory.....
I'm not sure what you mean by political, but they have Muslim-Western relations in mind. This isn't JUST about building a mosque/cultural center.
What do you want to see them say to show this? :squint: As I've said before, they may be naive for not seeing the controversy, but perhaps they don't see it as a violation of the golden rule since any offense taken by this mosque is based on misconceptions. We aren't fighting Islam. Not all Muslims are held responsible for the attacks. And Rauf has spoken against the attacks. He's been there for years. They already hold some services in the building, I believe.
Honestly, I'm not sure they have been yelling about rights.
And what obligations are those? Should all Muslims stay 500 feet from ground zero? Should they not talk about it? Should they submit themselves to mistreatment because of what some Islamic extremists did?
I really do see your point here. And, as I've said before, part of me does wish that Rauf would have foreseen this controversy and planned something else. And if he ends up choosing to move it to somewhere else, I would support that. But I stand by my statements that no offense should be taken for this and this can actually be a good thing if people embrace it.
Here is some reading
http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/frequently-asked-questions
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