The Trinity

[glorydaz]

Do you really have to resort to speaking to me that way? I do not do things to keep from answering questions.

The world was made through Jesus, and humans have to be put in Christ to be reconciled to God.

Don't get testy with me. You most certainly do veer off the subject when you don't have answers. I've seen you do it, and you aren't the only one. Perhaps it gives you time to think....which is exactly what you should be doing instead of veering off to the subject of reconciliation, which, by the way, I understand quite well.

I'm talking about your claim of Jesus having the same spiritual body as He had before and after the resurrection. I would like you to address that and only that.

I do have a reason for asking. It's an interesting subject. Focus on the topic instead of all this other stuff that has nothing to do with the point you're trying to make.

 

[God's Truth]

And.....your point about His spiritual body from the beginning???????

It's not there.

He has a glorious body.

Jesus received the same glory he had with the Father before world began.

Those who are saved are reconciled to God when we are put in Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

Don't get testy with me. You most certainly do veer off the subject when you don't have answers. I've seen you do it, and you aren't the only one. Perhaps it gives you time to think....which is exactly what you should be doing instead of veering off to the subject of reconciliation, which, by the way, I understand quite well.

I'm talking about your claim of Jesus having the same spiritual body as He had before and after the resurrection. I would like you to address that and only that.

I do have a reason for asking. It's an interesting subject. Focus on the topic instead of all this other stuff that has nothing to do with the point you're trying to make.

I am not doing what you claim. I am giving scriptures and there is no other way to take it.

 

[God's Truth]

God made the plan for salvation to be through Jesus. God made that plan before He created anything. He then made the whole universe through Jesus. We are reconciled to God by being put back in Jesus. Jesus is the same as he was.

 

[glorydaz]

You believe the word God spoke was the second person of a trinity of Gods, one of which died.

LA

Really, is that what I believe?

So, the "word God spoke" was with God and was God from the beginning, and all things were created by HIM? Was the "word God spoke" clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, and did He bear the name "The Word of God"?

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.​

I wasn't aware a spoken word could wear garments dipped in blood or have it's own name. :think:

 

[glorydaz]

I am not doing what you claim. I am giving scriptures and there is no other way to take it.

There is always another way to take it. In fact, there are many ways to take it.

 

[God's Truth]

There is always another way to take it. In fact, there are many ways to take it.

Anyone can distort anything.

I gave scriptures and prove what I believe.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

God made the plan for salvation to be through Jesus. God made that plan before He created anything. He then made the whole universe through Jesus. We are reconciled to God by being put back in Jesus. Jesus is the same as he was.

If it was the same, why didn't Moses mention Abraham, Sarah, or Jacob seeing any of them holes in it?

Or Nebuchadnezzar for that matter?

 

[God's Truth]

If it was the same, why didn't Moses mention Abraham, Sarah, or Jacob seeing any of them holes in it?

Could you explain that better?

If what was the same?

Why didn't Moses mention Abraham, Sarah, or Jacob seeing any of them holes in it? What?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Could you explain that better?

If what was the same?

His body.

 

[God's Truth]

His body.

Maybe you should give scriptures.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Maybe you should give scriptures.

Mmmm, I think that's what glorydayz has been asking you to do.

 

[God's Truth]

Mmmm, I think that's what glorydayz has been asking you to do.

I have given many scriptures. Have you not seen the many scriptures I gave? Why don't you give scriptures?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Why don't you give scriptures?

Because I can't find any showing that Christ's body was the same.

I pointed you to the only places from the OT I could think of maybe finding something but it's not there.

I have given many scriptures. Have you not seen the many scriptures I gave?

So far you haven't done any better.

 

[glorydaz]

Anyone can distort anything.

I gave scriptures and prove what I believe.

Well, you aren't making it clear enough for me to understand. :idunno:


But, please forego the slow walk about things I already know, and that have nothing to do with the question at hand....which is Jesus before He became flesh.

 

[God's Truth]

Because there are none showing that Christ's body was the same.

I pointed you to the only places from the OT I could think of maybe finding something but it's not there.



So far you haven't done any better.

Not true.

Jesus is the same yesterday and today.

 

[God's Truth]

Well, you aren't making it clear enough for me to understand. :idunno:


But, please forego the slow walk about things I already know, and that have nothing to do with the question at hand....which is Jesus before He became flesh.

It is not given to all to understand. Something can be explained with scripture, and people still deny and say they do not see it. Just like those who say they do not see the scriptures that plainly say Jesus is God. That is the same thing you are doing when I give scriptures proving what I say.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus is the firstborn over all creation.

All things were made through Jesus.

God made the plan for salvation to be through Jesus.

Jesus was given a Spiritual body, the glorious body that he had before the world began.

Adam and Eve were made through Jesus, and we must all be put back into Jesus, reconciled.

It is not so hard to understand.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Not true.

Jesus is the same yesterday and today.

King James Bible
Love for Brothers

1Let brotherly love continue.

2Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

3Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.

4Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Jesus Christ is the Same

5Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

6So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

7Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

9Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

10We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

11For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

12Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

13Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

14For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Sacrifices and Prayer

15By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

16But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

17Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

18Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.

19But I beseech you the rather to do this, that I may be restored to you the sooner.
Benediction and Final Greetings

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

22And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words.

23Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.

24Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

25Grace be with you all. Amen. {Written to the Hebrews from Italy by Timothy.

 

[God's Truth]

King James Bible
Love for Brothers

1Let brotherly love continue.

2Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

3Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.

4Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Jesus Christ is the Same

5Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

6So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

7Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

9Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

10We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

11For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

12Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

13Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

14For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Sacrifices and Prayer

15By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

16But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

17Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

18Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.

19But I beseech you the rather to do this, that I may be restored to you the sooner.
Benediction and Final Greetings

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

22And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words.

23Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.

24Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

25Grace be with you all. Amen. {Written to the Hebrews from Italy by Timothy.

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