The Trinity
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Did you actually read and study all that stuff in your reference?
Over the years yes, all of it. Did you read it?
marhig
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Don't you believe that Jesus brought peace, justice and righteousness?
marhig
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God manifest in flesh is the fullness spirit of God in Jesus. Jesus was dead to his flesh and this world and the spirit of God was seen in full strength through him. God was with him, but he isn't God.
Also you quoted this,
So the son that was given is to be called The Everlasting Father and The Mighty God
Jesus is the Mighty God, but he's not the Almighty God. There's only one of them and that's the father. Jesus was exhalted by the father and set at his right hand and everything he did was please the father and he was strengthened by the father he prayed to the father, he was sent by him and did his will. But he isn't the father. There is only one father and he is God. Jesus never ever said that he was God, but the son of God and he said that the father was his father also and that he was a brother.
And God is the God of Jesus Christ too, Jesus also says so himself, Jesus said that God was his God and that the father is greater than him. And without the father he could do nothing.
marhig
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You don't need to read extra add ons, we have the Bible it has everything we need to know. And there's no trinity in it, no God the son nothing.
But there is God the father, and Jesus Christ the son of the living God and the holy spirit of God and they are all are one, and so are we one with them once we are born of God! But that doesn't make us God or part of a trinity. The trinity isn't Biblical. The Bible teaches that there is one God, and he's the God and father of all, including Jesus.
Do you think that God would have left something so important as God the son out of the Bible if it was the truth? No God the son would definitely be in there if it were true, but it isn't written anywhere on the Bible.
No ...look around...do you see a peaceful world? A just world? A world filled with righteousness?
Matthew 28:19-20New American Standard Bible (NASB)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
1 John 5:7-8New American Standard Bible (NASB)
7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
The Father called God, Philippians 1:2, The Son Called God John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9, The Spirit called God Acts 5:3-4.
marhig
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Sorry, I think I've explained what I mean in the wrong way, I mean that Jesus brought peace justice and righteousness when he came to those who believed on him, all three were in him, and if he's in the heart of his people, then peace, justice and righteousness will be in them too. I've never felt peace like I do now, and I know I'm being judged on my actions now that I know God and I know that he is cleansing my heart because he's changing my heart to be more like his.
I hope I've explained myself better
SimpleMan77
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SimpleMan77
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Why did the apostles, who were hand-trained for over 240,000 man-hours by Jesus, determine that in order to obey Matthew 28:19, they should baptize in Jesus name? Is it possible that it was because "in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9), and because Isaiah 9:6 said that the Son's name would be the Everlasting Father?
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And your point is?
Allow me to jump in here with some observations.
1) A careful reading of Isaiah 9:6 shows that this Scripture has not been fulfilled.
2) Matt 28:19 is spurious. It is a latter edit to the text. Jesus never said that.
SimpleMan77
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[MENTION=4465]Bright Raven[/MENTION] I simply want to find out your explanation of Matthew 28:19. Either
1. Jesus never said that, and really instructed His disciples to baptize in His name, which they obeyed in all of Acts
2. Jesus really did say to baptize in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, meaning they were to repeat those words, and the Apostles simply didn't obey when the baptized in Jesus' name
3. Jesus said those words, and the Apostles obeyed by baptizing in Jesus name. That would mean to me that the name "Jesus" is the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
I don't see any other option for explaining Matthew 28:19.
In your opinion did the Apostles obey or disobey that verse? And please explain why you come to your conclusion.
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I believe we have obeyed throughout history, in that we are baptized in the name of the Triune God.
SimpleMan77
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I understand that you think the way you do it now is right, but you dodged my question. It was about why the Apostles did what they did.
Why did the men who Jesus hand-picked and personally trained baptize in the name of Jesus? Which of the 3 options in my post above?
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The second.
SimpleMan77
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What about Paul? He got his revelation directly from God, and he only baptized in Jesus' name. Why did God tell him directly to baptize in Jesus' name if it was really supposed to be in a triune name?
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