The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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The UB covers all the major prophets as the authors were on earth when they were.



Presented by a Melchizedek of Nebadon.​

SAMUEL—FIRST OF THE HEBREW PROPHETS



97:1.1 "Hostile pressure of the surrounding peoples in Palestine soon taught the Hebrew sheiks they could not hope to survive unless they confederated their tribal organizations into a centralized government. And this centralization of administrative authority afforded a better opportunity for Samuel to function as a teacher and reformer.

97:1.2 Samuel sprang from a long line of the Salem teachers who had persisted in maintaining the truths of Melchizedek as a part of their worship forms. This teacher was a virile and resolute man. Only his great devotion, coupled with his extraordinary determination, enabled him to withstand the almost universal opposition which he encountered when he started out to turn all Israel back to the worship of the supreme Yahweh of Mosaic times. And even then he was only partially successful; he won back to the service of the higher concept of Yahweh only the more intelligent half of the Hebrews; the other half continued in the worship of the tribal gods of the country and in the baser conception of Yahweh.

97:1.3 Samuel was a rough-and-ready type of man, a practical reformer who could go out in one day with his associates and overthrow a score of Baal sites. The progress he made was by sheer force of compulsion; he did little preaching, less teaching, but he did act. One day he was mocking the priest of Baal; the next, chopping in pieces a captive king. He devotedly believed in the one God, and he had a clear concept of that one God as creator of heaven and earth:" The pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he has set the world upon them."

97:1.4 But the great contribution which Samuel made to the development of the concept of Deity was his ringing pronouncement that Yahweh was changeless, forever the same embodiment of unerring perfection and divinity. In these times Yahweh was conceived to be a fitful God of jealous whims, always regretting that he had done thus and so; but now, for the first time since the Hebrews sallied forth from Egypt, they heard these startling words, "The Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent, for he is not a man, that he should repent." Stability in dealing with Divinity was proclaimed. Samuel reiterated the Melchizedek covenant with Abraham and declared that the Lord God of Israel was the source of all truth, stability, and constancy. Always had the Hebrews looked upon their God as a man, a superman, an exalted spirit of unknown origin; but now they heard the onetime spirit of Horeb exalted as an unchanging God of creator perfection. Samuel was aiding the evolving God concept to ascend to heights above the changing state of men's minds and the vicissitudes of mortal existence. Under his teaching, the God of the Hebrews was beginning the ascent from an idea on the order of the tribal gods to the ideal of an all-powerful and changeless Creator and Supervisor of all creation."....



http://truthbook.com/urantia-book/paper-97-evolution-of-the-god-concept-among-the-hebrews
 

Aimiel

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The 'authors' of the Urantia books were on earth, but they are demon spirits, obviously. How can one not see that? :duh:
 

freelight

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pigs in the parlor........

pigs in the parlor........


Plenty of contradictions, differences, cultural contrasts, author-opinions, redactions, interpolations, additions/ommissions woven thru-out the 'scriptures',....so not sure what 'hog' your attempting to 'wash'.

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ELIJAH AND ELISHA



97:2.1 "In the tenth century before Christ the Hebrew nation became divided into two kingdoms. In both of these political divisions many truth teachers endeavored to stem the reactionary tide of spiritual decadence that had set in, and which continued disastrously after the war of separation. But these efforts to advance the Hebraic religion did not prosper until that determined and fearless warrior for righteousness, Elijah, began his teaching. Elijah restored to the northern kingdom a concept of God comparable with that held in the days of Samuel. Elijah had little opportunity to present an advanced concept of God; he was kept busy, as Samuel had been before him, overthrowing the altars of Baal and demolishing the idols of false gods. And he carried forward his reforms in the face of the opposition of an idolatrous monarch; his task was even more gigantic and difficult than that which Samuel had faced.

97:2.2 When Elijah was called away, Elisha, his faithful associate, took up his work and, with the invaluable assistance of the little-known Micaiah, kept the light of truth alive in Palestine.

97:2.3 But these were not times of progress in the concept of Deity. Not yet had the Hebrews ascended even to the Mosaic ideal. The era of Elijah and Elisha closed with the better classes returning to the worship of the supreme Yahweh and witnessed the restoration of the idea of the Universal Creator to about that place where Samuel had left it."
UB 1955
 

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Plenty of contradictions, differences, cultural contrasts, author-opinions, redactions, interpolations, additions/ommissions woven thru-out the 'scriptures',....so not sure what 'hog' your attempting to 'wash'.

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pj

The demons wants you to say exacly what you said even though theres proof the Bible was inspired by God.

... One day in 1890, Mr. Panin was casually reading the first verse of the Gospel of John in the original Koine Greek. This verse, in the original, says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and the Word was God." And as he read this sentence, his curiosity was stirred by the fact that the definite article "the" preceded "God" in the first instance, but not the second. Why the difference? To analyze this apparent discrepancy, he made a parallel list of all verses in the New Testament in which the word "God" occurs with the article "the" and all those without it. Then when he compared the two lists he noted that there was a mathematical relationship between the two sums. Next, he went through the same procedure for the word "Christ" and on through several other words. each time taking note of the amazing numeric relationships hidden beneath the surface of the text. This "chance" observation would later prove to have been a life-changing event as Ivan Panin enthusiastically pursued the newly-found and exciting discovery he later named "Bible Numerics."


As these discoveries began to unfold, one after another, Mr. Panin quickly came to the realization that they were far more than just coincidence. There was a mathematical precision inherent to the entire Bible that no mere mortal could have devised and his intellectual objections relative to an unknowable God were overruled! Jesus Christ revealed Himself through His Word to this "chosen vessel" and, like the apostle Paul and a host of others, Ivan Panin was never the same man again. ...

The Puppet was never the same man either but very sadden you take urantia words over the author's very Words of God, Himself.
 

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The authenticity of the Holy Bible has been attacked at regular intervals by athiests and theologians alike but none have explained away the mathematical seal beneath its surface. It would seem the divine hand has moved to prevent counterfeiting in the pages of the Bible in a similar manner to the line that runs through paper money. Bible numerics appears to be God's watermark of authenticity. This complex system of numbering visibly and invisibly saturates every book of the scriptures emphasising certain passages and illustrating deeper or further meaning in types and shadows. The 66 books of the Bible 39 in the Old and 27 in the New were written by 33 different people.

Those authors were scattered throughout various countries of the world and from widely different backgrounds. Many of them had little or no schooling. The whole Bible was written over a period of 1500 years with a 400 year silence apart from the Apocrypha between the two testaments. Despite the handicaps the biblical books are found to be a harmonious record, each in accord with the other.
 

Caino

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The demons wants you to say exacly what you said even though theres proof the Bible was inspired by God.

... One day in 1890, Mr. Panin was casually reading the first verse of the Gospel of John in the original Koine Greek. This verse, in the original, says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and the Word was God." And as he read this sentence, his curiosity was stirred by the fact that the definite article "the" preceded "God" in the first instance, but not the second. Why the difference? To analyze this apparent discrepancy, he made a parallel list of all verses in the New Testament in which the word "God" occurs with the article "the" and all those without it. Then when he compared the two lists he noted that there was a mathematical relationship between the two sums. Next, he went through the same procedure for the word "Christ" and on through several other words. each time taking note of the amazing numeric relationships hidden beneath the surface of the text. This "chance" observation would later prove to have been a life-changing event as Ivan Panin enthusiastically pursued the newly-found and exciting discovery he later named "Bible Numerics."


As these discoveries began to unfold, one after another, Mr. Panin quickly came to the realization that they were far more than just coincidence. There was a mathematical precision inherent to the entire Bible that no mere mortal could have devised and his intellectual objections relative to an unknowable God were overruled! Jesus Christ revealed Himself through His Word to this "chosen vessel" and, like the apostle Paul and a host of others, Ivan Panin was never the same man again. ...

The Puppet was never the same man either but very sadden you take urantia words over the author's very Words of God, Himself.

There is a lot of "truth" in the books used to make the Bible, but there is also contradiction and error which is to be expected. God is The Word, the Living Word, we can trust God as a guiding spirit while considering that the writings of man cannot be perfect in the same way that God is perfect. That is true for the Bible AND the Urantia revelation.
 

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There is a lot of "truth" in the books used to make the Bible, but there is also contradiction and error which is to be expected. God is The Word, the Living Word, we can trust God as a guiding spirit while considering that the writings of man cannot be perfect in the same way that God is perfect. That is true for the Bible AND the Urantia revelation.

God took the men's hands and ->forced<- them to write what they wrote and yet you tell God that Words are imperfect. That explains that total depravity rings true and you're satisfied with your own beliefs. Thats proof the Bible is right about you. The only choice you have is to remain in your natural state.
 

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God took the men's hands and ->forced<- them to write what they wrote and yet you tell God that Words are imperfect. That explains that total depravity rings true and you're satisfied with your own beliefs. Thats proof the Bible is right about you. The only choice you have is to remain in your natural state.

The Bible authors didn't say that, you are adding that they were forced. Jesus never wrote anything that was left behind. And there is error in the Bible books so we know it's not God but it does say many true things.
 

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The Bible authors didn't say that, you are adding that they were forced. Jesus never wrote anything that was left behind. And there is error in the Bible books so we know it's not God but it does say many true things.

Sure they did! The Bible itself states clearly that it is the literal God-breathed'' living word of the Creator. The words "Thus saith the Lord"' and "God said"' occur more than 2500 times throughout scripture.
But your unfamiliar spirit inspired notes say its false.
 

Caino

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Sure they did! The Bible itself states clearly that it is the literal God-breathed'' living word of the Creator. The words "Thus saith the Lord"' and "God said"' occur more than 2500 times throughout scripture.
But your unfamiliar spirit inspired notes say its false.

But that's what the Holy men said when preach-writing. It's like any preacher today giving his opinion about God. And when they rewrote the books they would retell the same story in an entirely different way.
 

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But that's what the Holy men said when preach-writing. It's like any preacher today giving his opinion about God. And when they rewrote the books they would retell the same story in an entirely different way.

I was talking about the exact copies of the original 66 books. Nevermind interpretations and today's or yesterday's opinions. You asked me to back up my claims of scientific proofs that God inspired the Bible so we need to start with the greek and hebrew languages. There are no numbers in those languages cause they used letters for numbers. Thats how they were written back then. The proofs are in those numbers. But now you're going off the deep end due to your sources denying God's Word.
 

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I was talking about the exact copies of the original 66 books. Nevermind interpretations and today's or yesterday's opinions. You asked me to back up my claims of scientific proofs that God inspired the Bible so we need to start with the greek and hebrew languages. There are no numbers in those languages cause they used letters for numbers. Thats how they were written back then. The proofs are in those numbers. But now you're going off the deep end due to your sources denying God's Word.

I asked you where the Bible books said that God moved their hands, it's not there so you couldn't. But you are correct, they did write like God was talking, but that's how they wrote their personal beliefs, as if God were talking when it was just themselves talking. Like a preacher. You see, the elite priest were educated writing for the mostly illiterate, child like minds of Bronze age sheep headers.
 

freelight

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Beyond numbers..........

Beyond numbers..........

The demons wants you to say exacly what you said even though theres proof the Bible was inspired by God.

Hi Puppet,

I've addressed your last post earlier,...there is also the concept of the 'thought-adjuster' that is most wonderful,...a concept unique to the UB,....linked here.

The 'demons' you mention exist only in your imagination. The claim that the Bible is perfect, inerrant, infallible, or even a 'final' revelation of 'God' for that matter is illogical and unprovable, since the various books are all of different time-periods and termperments,....conditioned further by the varying perceptions and imperfections of the authors, among other factors.

... One day in 1890, Mr. Panin was casually reading the first verse of the Gospel of John in the original Koine Greek. This verse, in the original, says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and the Word was God." And as he read this sentence, his curiosity was stirred by the fact that the definite article "the" preceded "God" in the first instance, but not the second. Why the difference? To analyze this apparent discrepancy, he made a parallel list of all verses in the New Testament in which the word "God" occurs with the article "the" and all those without it. Then when he compared the two lists he noted that there was a mathematical relationship between the two sums. Next, he went through the same procedure for the word "Christ" and on through several other words. each time taking note of the amazing numeric relationships hidden beneath the surface of the text. This "chance" observation would later prove to have been a life-changing event as Ivan Panin enthusiastically pursued the newly-found and exciting discovery he later named "Bible Numerics."


As these discoveries began to unfold, one after another, Mr. Panin quickly came to the realization that they were far more than just coincidence. There was a mathematical precision inherent to the entire Bible that no mere mortal could have devised and his intellectual objections relative to an unknowable God were overruled! Jesus Christ revealed Himself through His Word to this "chosen vessel" and, like the apostle Paul and a host of others, Ivan Panin was never the same man again. ...

I haven't researched enough into Panin's 'biblical numerics',..but have seen some criticisms of it as well to question its veracity. I acknowledge some interesting aspects of numerology, and the place numbers have in the creative order, but have not seen enough evidence at this time to agree with your proposition.

The Puppet was never the same man either but very sadden you take urantia words over the author's very Words of God, Himself.

Perhaps you ought to read the entire thread if you have the time to read my commentary and see how I relate to the UB,...and get a 'revelation' :) - I serve only as an expounder/expositor of the material, and only aspects of the cosmology and its metaphysics that interest me, relating these to other universal concepts and religious principles,....I being a student of many different schools. The UB is one of the more impressive or interesting religious tomes or 'revelations' given in the last few centuries so it merits a place in religious studies, especially for this age. See the OP and hundreds of pages of discussion for further illumination.

As noted by Caino,.....all religious works are subject to investigation on all levels,...and at last by one's own intellectual honesty and spiritual discernment. This includes acknowledging the limitations and imperfection of the human instruments serving as channels, and all other factors affecting or conditioning the 'message', such as the impediment of language itself. The UB goes into this subject in depth, for the revelators had to use the English language and the terms known to mankind in the 20th century, expanding upon that and introducing new terms when necessary to convey the information.

I don't see this as some religious contest,....like the Bible vs. the UB,....as such is unnecessary,....since the UB introduces, corrects, expands and augments the truths of the former, bringing them into a greater scope and vision of universal truth, from a higher cosmic perspective. If the UB does not resonate with you, you are free to pursue your religious studies elsewhere. However,...you cannot truly judge the material if you haven't honestly considered its essential teachings, concepts and principles and weighed the material upon its own value and those meanings impressed from the text.


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freelight

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Truth exists wherever it is being communicated

Truth exists wherever it is being communicated

The authenticity of the Holy Bible has been attacked at regular intervals by athiests and theologians alike but none have explained away the mathematical seal beneath its surface. It would seem the divine hand has moved to prevent counterfeiting in the pages of the Bible in a similar manner to the line that runs through paper money. Bible numerics appears to be God's watermark of authenticity. This complex system of numbering visibly and invisibly saturates every book of the scriptures emphasising certain passages and illustrating deeper or further meaning in types and shadows. The 66 books of the Bible 39 in the Old and 27 in the New were written by 33 different people.


I see no convincing evidence for this hypothesis yet. Perhaps you can start a new thread on that subject?

Readers of the Bible or UB are to read such texts with an open mind and heart, letting the Spirit of truth lead and guide. If any ideas, ideals, concepts, principles, laws are true in any text,...the Spirit will bear witness of such....conveying their meaning and value.




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freelight

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God is Life..............

God is Life..............

God took the men's hands and ->forced<- them to write what they wrote and yet you tell God that Words are imperfect. That explains that total depravity rings true and you're satisfied with your own beliefs. Thats proof the Bible is right about you. The only choice you have is to remain in your natural state.

God inspires, yes....not sure about 'forces'. Inspiration can be distorted or conditioned by the human channel to varying degrees,...then there are some 'creative doctoring' from scribes over many centuries.

'God' alone is Spirit and Life. Words printed on paper are lifeless and valueless without the Mind and Spirit to interpret or impress the inner meanings to the soul.



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freelight

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"Its true, because I say so"

"Its true, because I say so"

Sure they did! The Bible itself states clearly that it is the literal God-breathed'' living word of the Creator. The words "Thus saith the Lord"' and "God said"' occur more than 2500 times throughout scripture.

This basically saying that the Bible is true, "because the Bible says so" :rolleyes:

Religious scribes would certainly claim "thus saith the Lord" to authenticate any commands or rules,....all in the interest of the religious cult or community that is ;)



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This basically saying that the Bible is true, "because the Bible says so" :rolleyes:

Religious scribes would certainly claim "thus saith the Lord" to authenticate any commands or rules,....all in the interest of the religious cult or community that is ;)



pj

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