The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[Aimiel]

The UB certainly doesn't teach your false assumption which is convoluted.

I don't 'assume' anything, much less act presumptuously.

'God' alone is the essence of all that is good, its very source.

He also created evil. He isn't in the center of it, though. He hasn't multiplied it. He has never committed any evil. He doesn't support evil or condone it.

Your presupposition is erroroneous.

I don't pre-suppose anything. I study, inquire and meditate.

'Thought-adjuster' (TA) is just the main term given to the indwelling presence of God in one's mind,

No, it's not. He doesn't work like that. Never did. He dwells in men's hearts. Our spirit. His Spirit comes to live inside of those who are born again. He gives us His Heart. He doesn't 'adjust' thoughts for anyone. He reasons together with us, so that we can get rid of our 'stinkin' thinkin' that is common in un-regenerate men. He doesn't adjust our thoughts. That would just be creepy.

- it is not necessarily to be taken 'technically', but the spirit of God in one's soul does lead, guide and teach, and this 'process' does obviously include 'coordinating', 'adjusting', 'relating' the thought-processes of the mind in the proper direction as one co-operates with 'God', in the arena of choice-making, etc.

He leads us with His Word by His Spirit. He guides us into all Truth. He is Truth. His Word is Truth. The UB is NOT Truth. It is 100% lies. His prompting of our conscience doesn't adjust our thinking. He changes our hearts, so that we are, by nature, like Him. We want to do His Will because He lives in us. We don't have our brains re-wired. We have our heart completely changed. He creates in us a clean heart. He doesn't 'adjust' anyone's thoughts. That would be puppetry. That's Satan's methods. You're his puppet. It's quite clear.

...I wouldn't get too caught up in the terminology there,....as the TA is also called 'spirit-monitor', 'father-fragment', etc. The term is kinda 'peculiar'...but thats what the revelators provided. Its a 'pre-personal' spirit-fragment of 'God the Father' that indwells the mind of mortals.

It is the god of this world (Satan) imitating The Father God, not The One True God. His Word shows us that the Urantia nonsense is a pack of lies, obviously.

As a soul chooses eternal life (eternal surivival)...it then fuses with the personality of the mortal and they become one, then this soul becomes 'immortal' by way of such a fusion.

No, it is the indwelling presence of His Spirit that helps us to work out our salvation and to become conformed to His Image and Likeness. We grow every day. If we don't: we become stagnant and start stinking again. That whole book stinks (Urantia).

 

[Aimiel]

Too bad you're on the wrong side of truth! You're articulate, intelligent, and a
Wordsmith. However, it's all wasted. Intelligence and an ability to articulate
one's thoughts, doesn't equal common sense, discernment, and a willingness
to be open to Spiritual truth. You're lost, and you don't even know it.

Moi?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Moi?

I was speaking to Freelight.

 

[Aimiel]

I know. It came right after my post. Just making you chuckle. =)

 

[Caino]

What does the Urantia revelation say about how the story of Noah's flood found it's way into the Hebrews history revision?

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78:7.3 Almost five thousand years later, as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah's flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.

78:7.4 The traditions of a time when water covered the whole of the earth's surface are universal. Many races harbor the story of a world-wide flood some time during past ages. The Biblical story of Noah, the ark, and the flood is an invention of the Hebrew priesthood during the Babylonian captivity. There has never been a universal flood since life was established on Urantia. The only time the surface of the earth was completely covered by water was during those Archeozoic ages before the land had begun to appear.

78:7.5 But Noah really lived; he was a wine maker of Aram, a river settlement near Erech. He kept a written record of the days of the river's rise from year to year. He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.

78:7.6 These floods completed the disruption of Andite civilization. With the ending of this period of deluge, the second garden was no more. Only in the south and among the Sumerians did any trace of the former glory remain.

78:7.7 The remnants of this, one of the oldest civilizations, are to be found in these regions of Mesopotamia and to the northeast and northwest. But still older vestiges of the days of Dalamatia exist under the waters of the Persian Gulf, and the first Eden lies submerged under the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea.

 

[Caino]

Scripture is the word friend.


Matthew 24:35 New King James Version (NKJV)

35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Jesus was talking about his Word as truth, not the words of other men who wrote contradiction and error.

It's important to approach the Bible through God rather than God through the Bible. God is the Living Word, the Bible was written by people in church government.

 

[Puppet]

Jesus was talking about his Word as truth, not the words of other men who wrote contradiction and error.

It's important to approach the Bible through God rather than God through the Bible. God is the Living Word, the Bible was written by people in church government.

Theres not a single error in the 66 book in the original greek, hebrew. (Billions of errors in the other 7 books the Catholics use) If you see it (66 books) in error then it's in your head or your source's heads. The end result are the awful demonic spells that makes you thinks its in error. You'll end up old seeking the truth you'll never find. Who wants to die in a lie?

 

[Caino]

Theres not a single error in the 66 book in the original greek, hebrew. (Billions of errors in the other 7 books the Catholics use) If you see it (66 books) in error then it's in your head or your source's heads. The end result are the awful demonic spells that makes you thinks its in error. You'll end up old seeking the truth you'll never find. Who wants to die in a lie?

Lacking a visible presence of a Son of God or a representative of God, man tends to make scripture books written by men, in any language, into "Gods Word." In this way people become trapped in ignorance. But I blame a lot of this on church government who derives it's authority and control on the false teaching that God wrote the Bible.

 

[Caino]

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10152855251796939/

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Caino is BACK! Now, more of his Urantia Book non-sense.

 

[Puppet]

Lacking a visible presence of a Son of God or a representative of God, man tends to make scripture books written by men, in any language, into "Gods Word." In this way people become trapped in ignorance. But I blame a lot of this on church government who derives it's authority and control on the false teaching that God wrote the Bible.

God took the hands of the writers, in the 66 books, and moved the pen across the papers. The writers listened to God and wrote down word for word exaclty how God said it. Ingnorance has nothing to do with anything. Just the fact that very single letter is written down by God through the writers. Nothing else matters but the bible is complete. Now you can tear it into piece and make it any way you like. Visble or not ,the writer could have been asleep while writing. They dont need to see god if God possess them and wrote using them. Men can't write like that so God is the only way
You just talked mecout of reading Urantia. You dont belive the bible is true and we dont believe Urantia is true. God wins and urantua losses.

 

[Puppet]

God possesed the writers to write the bible.
Unfamiliar spirits possesed the unknown writers to write Urantia.

Now you have two books. One contradicts the other. No scientific proof of the urantia like found in the bible. The proofs found in the bible are flawless.

 

[freelight]

Respecting the subject..............

Respecting the subject..............

I don't 'assume' anything, much less act presumptuously. He also created evil. He isn't in the center of it, though. He hasn't multiplied it. He has never committed any evil. He doesn't support evil or condone it.I don't pre-suppose anything. I study, inquire and meditate. No, it's not. He doesn't work like that. Never did. He dwells in men's hearts. Our spirit. His Spirit comes to live inside of those who are born again. He gives us His Heart. He doesn't 'adjust' thoughts for anyone. He reasons together with us, so that we can get rid of our 'stinkin' thinkin' that is common in un-regenerate men. He doesn't adjust our thoughts. That would just be creepy. He leads us with His Word by His Spirit. He guides us into all Truth. He is Truth. His Word is Truth. The UB is NOT Truth. It is 100% lies. His prompting of our conscience doesn't adjust our thinking. He changes our hearts, so that we are, by nature, like Him. We want to do His Will because He lives in us. We don't have our brains re-wired. We have our heart completely changed. He creates in us a clean heart. He doesn't 'adjust' anyone's thoughts. That would be puppetry. That's Satan's methods. You're his puppet. It's quite clear.It is the god of this world (Satan) imitating The Father God, not The One True God. His Word shows us that the Urantia nonsense is a pack of lies, obviously.No, it is the indwelling presence of His Spirit that helps us to work out our salvation and to become conformed to His Image and Likeness. We grow every day. If we don't: we become stagnant and start stinking again. That whole book stinks (Urantia).

As shared previously, and by a study of the subject from the paper(s) on 'thought-adjusters' (beginning here up to paper 111. (learn therein). You're talking the term too 'literally',...and by doing that, missing the forest for a tree. 4 entire papers are given by the revelators to expound upon the nature and mission of 'thought-adjusters', the divine gift of the Father to all mortals of normal-mind capacity and immortality-potential. These divine gifts of 'God' himself are the 'mystery of mysteries', that presence of 'God' himself in man, in a unique and special way, being of the Universal Father himself. - hence they are sometimes called 'Father-fragments'. Mortals also engage with and converge with other divine spirits of 'God'...but these are the special gifts of the Father, of his own Spirit and infinity.

The rest of your response even from page 1 here in this thread is typical hoc-apologetics, misrespresentation, polemics & ad homenims that come with a fundamentalist mindset (which is 'locked'), and your own presdisposed judgments which miss the mark, since their target, bias and conclusion is already presumed. One happy with truth, has no reason to attack, defend or demean anything, since he is one with God & Nature,...and abides in the truth that is ommipresent as well as transcendental.

My work here has always been as an expositor or expounder, on this and other threads (on a variety of topics) since my forte' is 'creative dialogue', expanding and exploring consciousness, - our discussion here is on the papers, and that is how I engage and respect the discussion. If you want to discuss TAs, then you have the material given to investigate, as well as those knowledgable to engage with. That's the purpose of the thread.

I can respect truth without having to resort to say your 'book' or 'thinking' STINKS. Obviously I don't limit 'God' to only one 'book', since that is impossible and ridiculous to assume. That's because truth is universal, although typified, symbolized and expressed in different language-terms, concepts and archetypes. Each religious text has its own terms, meanings and values, special to that system, encompassing the whole, so all must be respected. This is a given for anyone interested in religious truths, concepts and principles.



pj

 

[freelight]

Claim of inerrancy unproven............

Claim of inerrancy unproven............

Theres not a single error in the 66 book in the original greek, hebrew.

This claim is so incredible as to inspire a chuckle. Since you're making this incredible claim, provide the evidence for it. Can you provide evidence for your claim, beyond it just being your 'belief' that it is so? There are many textual variants, interpolations, additions/ommissions, redactions, etc. in the various extant biblical texts, which do not support your 'assertion' of 'inerrancy'. NOTE that no original autographs exist, only copies, and a host of variants by different scribes. Again,...provide your proof beyond "because I say so".

(Billions of errors in the other 7 books the Catholics use)

This is comical. The Apocrypha has many wonderful things, as well as other inter-testamental literature, as well as other Christian writings, within that time period and the first 3 centuries A.D. (comprising all non-canonical texts) Billions of errors? lol. You really are a 'sock-puppet'. Amazing. Unbelievable.

If you see it (66 books) in error then it's in your head or your source's heads.

Not necessarily. Some biblical scholars who are intellectually honest would disagree. We can squabble over what qualifies as 'erroneous',...but the available texts are not 100% perfect, neither in complete 'agreement' with each (comparing variant readings).

The end result are the awful demonic spells that makes you thinks its in error.

Leave it to a fundy to always blame anything contrary to their pet-beliefs or dogmas as being 'demonic'



pj

 

[freelight]

Proving claims.....

Proving claims.....

God possesed the writers to write the bible.
Unfamiliar spirits possesed the unknown writers to write Urantia.

Proof?

I'd visit the OP for starters (which compares UB and traditional Christian theology), and follow along the thread if you'd be properly informed on the subject.

Now you have two books.
One contradicts the other.

One may be updating or correcting the other, as well as expanding upon truths revealed formerly...opening up one's consciousness to higher truths or a more cosmically complete revelation.

No scientific proof of the urantia like found in the bible.

This is debatable, on many levels, and covered here previously.

The proofs found in the bible are flawless.

I see no proof for this incredible claim, and find it intellectually dishonest and irresponsible. If you're going to use the word 'flawless', you'd better have some evidence to back it up, beyond mere assumption.



pj

 

[Caino]

God took the hands of the writers, in the 66 books, and moved the pen across the papers. The writers listened to God and wrote down word for word exaclty how God said it. Ingnorance has nothing to do with anything. Just the fact that very single letter is written down by God through the writers. Nothing else matters but the bible is complete. Now you can tear it into piece and make it any way you like. Visble or not ,the writer could have been asleep while writing. They dont need to see god if God possess them and wrote using them. Men can't write like that so God is the only way
You just talked mecout of reading Urantia. You dont belive the bible is true and we dont believe Urantia is true. God wins and urantua losses.

Nowhere do any of the authors of the Bible ever make such a claim that God was moving their hands and such. God is not the author of confusion and error. God is the Living Word in mans heart, he waits patiently for man to turn to him and seek his will.

 

[Caino]

God possesed the writers to write the bible.
Unfamiliar spirits possesed the unknown writers to write Urantia.

Now you have two books. One contradicts the other. No scientific proof of the urantia like found in the bible. The proofs found in the bible are flawless.

The Bible contradicts itself, Jesus' teaching contradicts the OT ways. Revelation is progressive, ongoing.

 

[Puppet]

Where is your proof that God inspired the writers of the urantia? If I had time, I would show the proofs on my end. Maybe later.

 

[Aimiel]

As shared previously, and by a study of the subject from the paper(s) on 'thought-adjusters' (beginning here up to paper 111. (learn therein). You're talking the term too 'literally',...and by doing that, missing the forest for a tree.

I'm a big fan of words and their meanings. Re-defining terms arbitrarily gets one into the same trouble that Adam and Eve found themselves in when they let Satan talk them into re-defining God's Words. You play with words as if they are your own personal toys just like Satan does. We know from the context (Urantia book) that what is stated is demonic doctrine. We also know from reading the term, "Thought Adjuster," what is going on. Demonic thoughts being projected into those who allow such. It's cut-and-dried.

4 entire papers are given by the revelators to expound upon the nature and mission of 'thought-adjusters', the divine gift of the Father to all mortals of normal-mind capacity and immortality-potential.

God doesn't work like that. He gives His Spirit to those who believe in His Son, not to everyone, but to believers. Without faith it is impossible to please Him. Thinking that all men are 'children of God' is pleasant, though un-true. We are lost without Christ. Dismissing His Truth regarding salvation and trampling His Blood underfoot is the greatest of dis-respect to God.

These divine gifts of 'God' himself are the 'mystery of mysteries', that presence of 'God' himself in man, in a unique and special way, being of the Universal Father himself.

God had relationship with Adam and Eve in the garden. Jesus came to restore that relationship. Without going through Him to God, you cannot approach God at all. It's His Mystery, but He has revealed Himself through His Son. Your thought-adjusters don't reveal God, they reveal nothing but darkness.

The rest of your response even from page 1 here in this thread is typical hoc-apologetics, misrespresentation, polemics & ad homenims that come with a fundamentalist mindset (which is 'locked'), and your own presdisposed judgments which miss the mark, since their target, bias and conclusion is already presumed.

Your the one who is presumptuous, presuming to know better than Christ Himself what He is and what His Mission is. Your 'mindset' is set upon by Satan and is obvious to everyone but you. Your deception is complete and set in stone. You need to repent.

One happy with truth, has no reason to attack, defend or demean anything, since he is one with God & Nature,...and abides in the truth that is ommipresent as well as transcendental.

But if the 'light' that is in you is nothing but darkness, how great is that darkness! You think you have the light but you have NONE. Your presumed 'truths' are 100% LIES.

I can respect truth without having to resort to say your 'book' or 'thinking' STINKS.

You'd be more honest if you actually came right out and said so, but since your job on this earth is deception, you pretend to be honest and open, while being the most subtle and benign of posters on TOL. It's obvious you take after your daddy. :devil:

Obviously I don't limit 'God' to only one 'book', since that is impossible and ridiculous to assume.

I don't, either; but God is ONE. He doesn't inspire false gods or religions. That's not how He works. His Truth is in The Holy Scriptures. Looking elsewhere is foolish and deadly.

That's because truth is universal, although typified, symbolized and expressed in different language-terms, concepts and archetypes.

Problem is: Truth isn't found in false religions. There is only ONE God. Jesus is His Son. He came here from Heaven to give us Truth.

Each religious text has its own terms, meanings and values, special to that system, encompassing the whole, so all must be respected.

Respect and swallowing lies are two different things. False religions are lies. The UB is lies. Your posts are lies. You're completely deceived. Grow a clue.

 

[Aimiel]

The Bible contradicts itself, Jesus' teaching contradicts the OT ways.

Hogwash.