The "L" in TULIP Means that Jesus is NOT Lord

Grosnick Marowbe

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Three choices are possible:

1. Christ died for some of the sins of all men.
2. Christ died for all the sins of some men.
3. Christ died for all the sins of all men.

No one says that the first is true, for then all would be lost because of the sins that Christ did not die for. The only way to be saved from sin is for Christ to cover it with His blood.

The third statement is what the non-Calvinist would say: Christ died for all the sins of all men. But then why are not all saved? They answer, Because some do not believe. But is this unbelief not one of the sins for which Christ died?

If they say yes, then why is unbelief not covered by the blood of Jesus and all unbelievers saved? If they say no (unbelief is not a sin that Christ has died for) then they must say that men can be saved without having all their sins atoned for by Jesus, or...

...they must join us in affirming statement number two: Christ died for all the sins of some men. That is, he died for the unbelief of the elect so that God's punitive wrath is appeased toward them and His grace is free to draw them irresistibly out of darkness into His marvelous light.

AMR

The 3rd choice is the correct choice AMR. Christ died for the sins of
all mankind. Making it possible for all men to come to Christ. However,
not all men will choose to place their faith in the Lord
Jesus Christ. God's Grace is available to all. It's a matter of choice.

I'm aware that Calvinists don't believe that men have a free will. I
happen to disagree. My reason is, the Bible makes it abundantly
clear. I have no doubt. I first heard the Grace Gospel in 1962 and
have trusted my soul to it since. I'm 65 years old today. I was 12
when I first heard Paul's Gospel. (The Grace Gospel)
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Now tell us about Pharoh. How God did not really harden pharaoh's heart. How God did not really kill all those children.

That was in the first century wasn't it grandma?

How about you kitty kat? Was it the first century?

Do we have any choir boys who would like to speak up?

You have a mighty low rep count. Your views are not well respected
around here, are they?
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Ah that would Christian first. Calvinist second. American third.

As for low rep court. Thanks. The lower the rep court the more truth is being given out. In others, I'm not going to lick your boot.

Your low rep excuse is lacking pal. It sounds too much like rationalization to my genius self.
You still didn't answer my question? Are you fearful to do so?
 

dialm

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Prove it Nostradamus? Do you have conversations with 6 foot rabbits
as well?

You know next to nothing about the Passover. The sad part is that you don't want to know anything about it. The reason you don't want to know anything about it is because it will convict you. I'm sorry to have to tell you this but it is the truth. Why don't we start again as though we have never had words. Then maybe we could become friends. I'm willing to try.
 

musterion

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Makes you wonder what a "Bible dead beat" is. Never heard that term before. Nor have anyone been called a pumpkin, best I recall.

Odd. Very odd.
 

Bright Raven

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The 3rd choice is the correct choice AMR. Christ died for the sins of
all mankind. Making it possible for all men to come to Christ. However,
not all men will choose to place their faith in the Lord
Jesus Christ. God's Grace is available to all. It's a matter of choice.

I'm aware that Calvinists don't believe that men have a free will. I
happen to disagree. My reason is, the Bible makes it abundantly
clear. I have no doubt. I first heard the Grace Gospel in 1962 and
have trusted my soul to it since. I'm 65 years old today. I was 12
when I first heard Paul's Gospel. (The Grace Gospel)
Good Post Gros. Happy New Year!
 
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