Ron Paul is a liar and a fool

[rocketman]

There are a few problems with your comparison. First of all, at the time of Pearl Harbor, Japan already had a military capable of international attack. But more importantly, America did not have the defenses that we have now. Things like SDI and just a general increase in military gives us defenses we simply did not have then.

It wasn't as if we did not know Japan & the NAZI's were beating the war drums long before we were attacked and that is the point. All things being relative to the times we (America) were then and are now in possession a formidable military but, if we allow our threats to become capable we will be in the same boat as we were at the entrance of WWII. Just because Iran is not an imminent threat does not mean they will not be and if you are paying attention to what is happening all over the world right now Iran is on track to quite capable militarily and their rhetoric is not confined to Israel but, to the U.S. as well.

As for 9/11, Iran did not have nukes and no one had heard of ISIS then, yet it still happened. I fail to see the connection between 9/11and Iran. The sad fact is, you can't prevent every terrorist attack. You do what you can. The 9/11 attackers did not need nuked or the formal backing of any government to do what they did.

Does your enemy have to wear the uniform of a certain country for you concede that you have one? The U.S. was well aware of the threat posed to this country by al-queda as far back as the Clinton administration (maybe further) they were largely ignored & we were eventually attacked, you are correct you cannot defend against every terrorist attack but, terrorists are funded and given Iran is large contributor to terrorism around the world much of it would be vanquished if we cut off the head of the snake.

The point I am making is that Iran, who does not have nukes, is not a threat to the US.

Cmon, you cannot be this naive...:doh:

They may be a threat to Israel. Let Israel handle it.

Probably not without our assistance, nor would Israel want to enter into a task this ominous without the U.S. having it's six.

Further, if we had not removed Sadam Hussein from power, Iran would be treading more carefully.

This is certainly the truth and I agree, just as this president's asinine decision to not garner a Status Of Forces Agreement and pull the troops out created the vacuum for the rise of ISIS and now the intervention of Iran into Iraq. Quite the mess we have created when we should have dealt with al-queda & its major funders instead of using 911 to settle an old score with Saddam.

Interventionism typically causes more problems than it solves. I don't agree with everything Ron Paul says, but basic non-interventionism is good policy.

No, isolationism that RP endorses is absurd & dangerous and history proves that fact. You have to face your enemies eventually, better to do it on your own terms before you are forced to on your enemies terms... it is just the way it is.

 

[Daniel1611]

How do you feel about unofficial, unspoken "no-go" zones in the U.S.?

I'm not against fighting Islamic violence in the US, or if it becomes a direct threat to the US. This is the false choice that the war mongers have set up. You're either an isolationist pacifist or you want war in every country around the world.

It's one war after the other. And excuse me if I'm skeptical of the government's claims about the threat of Iran and our need to engage them militarily after the outright lies about Iraq. There's a bipartisan push for constant war so the two parties and their owners can keep the money and power flowing in.

 

[Daniel1611]

As I said before, if you want to be safe from ISIS, stay out of the Middle East. All you guys who think ISIS is such a threat to America, why don't you go over there and fight them? It's possible to do so. http://www.ibtimes.com/least-100-westerners-join-kurdish-fight-against-islamic-state-1837686

 

[musterion]

I'm not against fighting Islamic violence in the US, or if it becomes a direct threat to the US.

I wasn't even asking about Muslim no-go's, which are (for now) more of a Euro thing (but give it time).

I was talking about urban no-go's that paramedics, firemen and sometimes even cops do whatever they can to avoid entering. They DO exist, across the country. Should they be allowed to exist?

 

[Daniel1611]

I wasn't even asking about Muslim no-go's, which are (for now) more of a Euro thing (but give it time).

I was talking about urban no-go's that paramedics, firemen and sometimes even cops do whatever they can to avoid entering. They DO exist, across the country. Should they be allowed to exist?

No. The rule of law should apply to the whole country.

 

[patrick jane]

Hmmm, there was an Ocean between us & Japan too, yet they managed to get to us not to mention 911, and other islamic terrorist acts upon our soil since. That Ocean will not protect you from an ICBM armed with a nuke and interestingly Iran is working on both right now.

Question:

At what point does America need to see Iran as a threat to the U.S.?

50 years ago ? 100 ?

 

[One Ugly Christian]

Excuses, Excuses...if you didn't want to post here than don't make excuses...leave!



That was the same position that America had about the conflict in Europe & Asia in the 1930's when the "Neutrality Act" was passed. America's pacifism didn't keep it out of World War II and eventually we were attacked. The problem with people like Ron Paul and children followers like yourself is that you are ignorant to history. The only difference is dealing with your threat while it is in it's infancy or waiting until you have no choice and the adversary is formidable...in either case war will come but, the former is less bloody than the latter.

Neutrality & pacifism never works...Educate yourself...

The Neutrality Acts were passed by the United States Congress in the 1930s, in response to the growing turmoil in Europe and Asia that eventually led to World War II. They were spurred by the growth in isolationism and non-interventionism in the US following its costly involvement in World War I, and sought to ensure that the US would not become entangled again in foreign conflicts. The legacy of the Neutrality Acts is widely regarded as having been generally negative: they made no distinction between aggressor and victim, treating both equally as "belligerents"; and they limited the US government's ability to aid Britain and France against Nazi Germany. The acts were largely repealed in 1941, in the face of German submarine attacks on U.S. vessels and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrality_Acts_of_1930s



The fact that you are a wet behind the ears child and a historical illiterate has clouded any sense of imminent danger that this country faces with a nuclear Iran much less the threat it poses to Israel. You said it above "I'm not sure"...that is the problem, your uneducated pacifist worldview makes you ignorant to the danger to yourself, or anyone else. War will come to you whether you want it to or not...when you decide to deal with it doesn't change the fact that you will have to fight your enemy or concede to him.

This and your other post is great R-man. Only thing I would add is that the US did not belong in WWI and should not have gotten involved. If we hadn't there may have never been a WWII and we wouldn't have been so isolationist in the 30's.

 

[Daniel1611]

This and your other post is great R-man. Only thing I would add is that the US did not belong in WWI and should not have gotten involved. If we hadn't there may have never been a WWII and we wouldn't have been so isolationist in the 30's.

Kinda like if we didn't get involved in Iraq there wouldn't be an ISIS or an a potentially nuclear Iran?

 

[rocketman]

Kinda like if we didn't get involved in Iraq there wouldn't be an ISIS or an a potentially nuclear Iran?

What makes you think that ISIS would not have come into being if we did not get into Iraq? ISIS was sparked out of Syria not Iraq, if your going to comment on world events try to get your facts, timelines, & history straight...sheesh. Your president has done a bang up job of of destabilizing the whole region with his absolutely asinine foreign policies and for your information Iran has been working towards the bomb since the 1990's in concert with the Russians who had a great hand in their past & current nuke program.

 

[musterion]

No. The rule of law should apply to the whole country.

Agreed.

No-go's won't clean up themselves...dangerous elements use them as a foothold and sanctuary against the rest of society. So what should be done?

 

[aikido7]

Article from Paul:
America Must Reject Netanyahu’s War Cry on Iran

First, he's a liar as Netanyahu never called on the US to declare war on Iran.

Second, he's a FOOL if he doesn't know that Iranian leaders have consistently called for the destruction of Israel. In fact, only a few months ago Ayatollah Khamenei put out a 9 point plan on exactly how to destroy Israel.

Third, if Paul doesn't think Iran is pursuing nukes he's a double FOOL.

It's sad that people get so blinded by an agenda (like his non-intervention ideals) that they make such fools out of themselves.

You probably mean to say that in your opinion, Ron Paul seems dishonest and foolish because he said "X" which means "Y" in my interpretation of things.

If you met Paul on the street and called him a fool and a liar, I doubt you could solve America's problems together collaboratively.

 

[rocketman]

This and your other post is great R-man. Only thing I would add is that the US did not belong in WWI and should not have gotten involved. If we hadn't there may have never been a WWII and we wouldn't have been so isolationist in the 30's.

Yes, that very well may be true but, it is really just playing armchair general in hindsight that makes any one of us look at things and say "the result would have been different if". Really, if you were not alive at the time it is hard to draw a definitive conclusions on the actions people took in the past & why, because we were not there. We should learn from others mistakes for sure and try to apply it to the now if it applies at all. It could also be said that if WWI would have not been fought we may have met an emboldened National Socialist entity that emerged from that conflict in battle later, you cannot rewrite history.

 

[Nimrod]

yet they managed to get to us not to mention 911, and other islamic terrorist acts upon our soil since.

mmmmm, no. That was our own government. False flag operation so we can go to war forever.

 

[noguru]

You probably mean to say that in your opinion, Ron Paul seems dishonest and foolish because he said "X" which means "Y" in my interpretation of things.

If you met Paul on the street and called him a fool and a liar, I doubt you could solve America's problems together collaboratively.

Oh come on now! Did you not know? Some here could save the world, if we just returned control back to the likes of them. Like it was from 1945 to about 1960. The US was riding high, having emerged from WWII as the only viable world power that could take on global demand for manufacturing and farming. This position gave the morality of those in charge a special high place in the world. Would it not be great to return to those good old days?

American Pie

 

[One Ugly Christian]

You probably mean to say that in your opinion, Ron Paul seems dishonest and foolish because he said "X" which means "Y" in my interpretation of things.

If you met Paul on the street and called him a fool and a liar, I doubt you could solve America's problems together collaboratively.

I couldn't care not one wit about collaborating with FOOLS. I want liars and fools OUT of our government and shown for what fools they are--especially to the idiot Christians who practically worship this jerk. The article I linked makes this so clear it's undeniable but your post, unfortunately, is yet another example of the extreme foolishness I always get on this site; He said X HE MEANT X and anybody who doesn't see that Iran is going to get nukes is FOOL. Anybody who dismisses the Islamic threat which has been with us of FOURTEEN HUNDRED YEARS is a FOOL. Anybody who doesn't see the eminent threat Islam is to the US is a FOOL. Anybody who thinks we can hide behind walls and ignore it is a FOOL. Anybody who believes the US can be isolationist is a FOOL.

 

[drbrumley]

Your right; you have nothing.

Living up to your screen name I see.

Instead of knee jerk responses, how about the assessment from the DoD like I asked, that's Department of Defense for you folks with half a half a brain cell.

Why is that so hard to provide?

 

[rocketman]

mmmmm, no. That was our own government. False flag operation so we can go to war forever.

You can take that nonsense to another thread...and Americans never landed on the moon either. :chuckle:

 

[One Ugly Christian]

Living up to your screen name I see.

Instead of knee jerk responses, how about the assessment from the DoD like I asked, that's Department of Defense for you folks with half a half a brain cell.

Why is that so hard to provide?

Oh for the sake of Mother Mary and all the Saints, who the H do you think the DOD works for?

 

[noguru]

I couldn't care not one wit about collaborating with FOOLS. I want liars and fools OUT of our government and shown for what fools they are--especially to the idiot Christians who practically worship this jerk. The article I linked makes this so clear it's undeniable but your post, unfortunately, is yet another example of the extreme foolishness I always get on this site; He said X HE MEANT X and anybody who doesn't see that Iran is going to get nukes is FOOL. Anybody who dismisses the Islamic threat which has been with us of FOURTEEN HUNDRED YEARS is a FOOL. Anybody who doesn't see the eminent threat Islam is to the US is a FOOL. Anybody who thinks we can hide behind walls and ignore it is a FOOL. Anybody who believes the US can be isolationist is a FOOL.

Did you just snort another 8 ball of cocaine, or did you smoke it? You have mixed up obvious realities with your foggy vision of reality again. Perhaps you should put down the cocaine and take the anti psychotic that was actually prescribed by your Dr. Just saying.

 

[drbrumley]

Oh for the sake of Mother Mary and all the Saints, who the H do you think the DOD works for?

Tell me. Oh I know, Obama right? Yet the same people worked under Bush as well, and Clinton and Bush 1, Reagen. Need I go on?

If not them, who?