Racism, Bigotry and Misogyny at TOL

[rexlunae]

i have a very real solution

don't rape

don't get raped

goes for both men and women

How do you propose a women not "get raped"? There is no standard of modesty so extreme that it prevents rape. What you really are asking for is the right to control how women dress and act.

 

[Crucible]

You're just sucking up, imo. Start preaching Calvinism and see what happens to you.

I don't have any reason to 'suck up'. I was a bit surprised actually to see the mods take our side, simply because of how self-assured and secure these other posters make themselves to seem :idunno:

And
I speak upon Calvinism all the time. You may not have noticed because you only pay attention to my posts on threads relevant to this.

But go look at any thread that pertains to Calvinism, I don't pull punches there either :chuckle:

 

[ok doser]

How do you propose a women not "get raped"?

lots of ways

first and foremost, don't invite a whole buncha stinky mooslim refugees to your country

 

[quip]

likewise, the woman who ignores the warnings about risky behavior will likely not get raped every time

but when she does, eventually, inevitably, she's brought it on herself

Let's take a typical business woman, working late downtown any big city, walks to her car, gets interrupted and raped.

Did she deserve to get raped?

Did her choice to work late in a big city and walk to her car unchaperoned equate to her choosing/deserving of the rape?

Where do you draw the line here? :idunno:



Perhaps....at the behavior of rapist!

 

[rexlunae]

lots of ways

first and foremost, don't invite a whole buncha stinky mooslim refugees to your country

So, what you're saying is that men who come from cultures where women are expected somehow to prevent rape via modesty, and men aren't expected to control themselves, are a lot more likely to rape women?

Mull that over for a bit and get back to me.

 

[WizardofOz]

Do you ever write anything original, or do always have to rely on borrowing off of something that I've written?

It's the perfect way to display your hypocrisy. You think your behavior is justified yet call into question the salvation of others based on theirs.

I can't think of a bigger hypocrite on TOL. Do you think God approves of your lying and deceit?

 

[ok doser]

So, what you're saying is that men who come from cultures where women are expected somehow to prevent rape via modesty

and seclusion from strange men

, and men aren't expected to control themselves,

not sure that's true

looks like saudi arabia holds rapists to account: http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-beheads-two-rapists-murderer-131603911.html

are a lot more likely to rape women?

ask angela merkel about that

 

[ok doser]

Let's take a typical business woman, working late downtown any big city, walks to her car, gets interrupted and raped.

Did she deserve to get raped?

Did her choice to work late in a big city and walk to her car unchaperoned equate to her choosing/deserving of the rape?

Where do you draw the line here? :idunno:

if it's known that rapists are around, and security is encouraging staff to call for escorts late at night and she ignores that advice, then yeah, she's culpable

Perhaps....at the behavior of rapist!

of course - her foolish behavior takes nothing away from his criminal behavior

 

[rocketman]

if i drink a quart of scotch and drive home at 140 mph and crash and burn, i have chosen that consequence

Not true, you did not choose the consequence, you chose to assume the risk if consequences come. You didn't choose to crash and burn but, when you did, you own the consequence because you took the risk willingly...big difference. If you knew you were going to crash would you have drove drunk? the fact is nobody thinks or wishes bad things befall them but, we can put ourselves in positions where bad things do happen.

 

[glorydaz]

That's never been the way TOL works, but ironically your desire for a safe place is echoed by women on this forum.



ClimateSanity, Glorydaz and Ok Doser do that. You can see Glorydaz and ClimateSanity doing that just yesterday in my thread on Lust in the ECT forum. Why don't you correct them if you object to such behavior?



I agree with you, but that's exactly what you see happening on my Lust thread in the ECT forum. Who started that crusade? Glorydaz. Who joined in? ClimateSanity. They are clearly provocateurs, and people react to them. Blaming the people for reacting to them when you remain silent about what they are doing makes you look hypocritical.



Glorydaz and ClimateSanity are doing that to me.

You make yourself look bad, Elo. I hope people go to that thread and see for themselves how you do that.

You start a thread claiming a person is committing adultery if they want a woman's money. And then you're surprised when I point out your ignorance?

You can dish it out, but you can't take it. :baby:

 

[quip]

if it's known that rapists are around, and security is encouraging staff to call for escorts late at night and she ignores that advice, then yeah, she's culpable

That's always the case in late night big cities. So, what...should every alone, late night, working woman hire armed guards? Not a practical consideration.

of course - her foolish behavior takes nothing away from his criminal behavior

The woman's culpability does exactly that.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Do you ever write anything original, or do always have to rely on borrowing off of something that I've written?

It's the perfect way to display your hypocrisy. You think your behavior is justified yet call into question the salvation of others based on theirs.

I would love to have a discussion with you as to whether a person can be a follower of Jesus Christ yet promote the things He (God) abhors. I can see it now:

Non repentant moral relativist being allowed into Heaven:

"God, this is the way we're going to do things up here from now on".

I can't think of a bigger hypocrite on TOL. Do you think God approves of your lying and deceit?

I want nothing but the best for you and your fellow secular humanists Aaron. We were all unrepentant sinners at one time (but not all of us were proud of it like many on here are). You're in my prayers daily hoping that you'll accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, which of course means accepting His (God's) Word as seen in Holy Scripture.

 

[ok doser]

Not true, you did not choose the consequence, you chose to assume the risk if consequences come. You didn't choose to crash and burn but, when you did, you own the consequence because you took the risk willingly...big difference. If you knew you were going to crash would you have drove drunk? the fact is nobody thinks or wishes bad things befall them but, we can put ourselves in positions where bad things do happen.

i say i chose the consequence, you say i own the consequence

not sure there's a significant difference

 

[ok doser]

That's always the case in late night big cities. So, what...should every alone, late night, working woman hire armed guards? Not a practical consideration.

most businesses provide the service through their hired security force

The woman's culpability does exactly that.

no - consider the case of the stolen car "but I was just running in to the store for a cup of coffee! I didn't think there'd be any harm in leaving the door open and the engine running!"

the car thief is just as guilty as if he'd jimmied the lock and hotwired your car

 

[rexlunae]

and seclusion from strange men



not sure that's true

looks like saudi arabia holds rapists to account: http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-beheads-two-rapists-murderer-131603911.html

First of all, that's Saudi Arabia, and most of the refugees are from Syria and Iraq. And moreover, while Saudi sometimes executes rapists, it also punishes victims as well as perpetrators. Obviously, that makes rape a lot harder to prosecute, as the victim is in danger herself if she comes forward to report the attack. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatif_rape_case

ask angela merkel about that

I think I'd ask you, since you have essentially the same solution to the problem as Saudi Arabia.

 

[ok doser]

I think I'd ask you, since you have essentially the same solution to the problem as Saudi Arabia.

deal harshly with rapists?

:thumb:

swift, painful and public execution of rapists - whether ghetto or ivy league - would go a long way toward ending the "rape culture"

 

[rexlunae]

deal harshly with rapists?

So, we're done victim-blaming?

 

[WizardofOz]

I would love to have a discussion with you as to whether a person can be a follower of Jesus Christ yet promote the things He (God) abhors.

Does God abhor lying and deceit? Yes or no...

 

[quip]

most businesses provide the service through their hired security force

..misses the point.

no - consider the case of the stolen car "but I was just running in to the store for a cup of coffee! I didn't think there'd be any harm in leaving the door open and the engine running!"

the car thief is just as guilty as if he'd jimmied the lock and hotwired your car

Legally speaking, sure. Yet, you're implying some form of just punishment layed upon the victim. That the rapist plays as a moral component; just acts of violence as a corrective assigned to some dissolute behavior the victim has perpetuated. That's unacceptable.

 

[rocketman]

i say i chose the consequence, you say i own the consequence

not sure there's a significant difference

There is a big difference... you say a person chooses to inflict harm on themselves, and I am saying people risk possible harm with the intent that "it will not happen to me" mindset, nobody, and I mean nobody desires bad consequences, they are impacted by circumstances which may or may not be any fault of their own. Owning the bad consequence of a decision to engage in bad behavior is much different than asking/choosing for a bad consequence ok doser.