glassjester
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I wonder if your own words and actions could help bring about one outcome, rather than the other.
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Basically. An offer that restricted abortions to the normal exceptions could be taken a bit more seriously.
How far into pregnancy are you ok with abortion and what's your reasoning for it being acceptable prior to that time?
glassjester
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And what makes it not acceptable after that point?
There's a special circle in Hell for any doctor who ever performs a late term abortion. Because the way I see it, you must submit to burying your own conscience to even do such thing, and Hillary was about to allow that- shows you what a woman she is, and the women who voted for her 
glassjester
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There's a special circle in Hell for any doctor who ever performs a late term abortion. Because the way I see it, you must submit to burying your own conscience to even do such thing, and Hillary was about to allow that- shows you what a woman she is, and the women who voted for her
Crucible, haven't I seen you argue that abortion is not murder? Maybe I have you confused with someone else.
It was a theological point I was trying to make, particularly when it comes to the Law- abortion cannot be tantamount to murder because, to be blunt, there is nothing in natural human philosophy that dictates it as such. We don't see it the same as we would witnessing an actual execution.
It's an artificial notion.
But that doesn't mean I don't nonetheless see it as a grave sin, and to perform such an act is disgraceful to human dignity.
glassjester
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Then why would you see anything wrong with an extremist launching a pipe bomb into one those clinics?
If you see abortion the same, you would see nothing more than a soldier liberating hostages.
That's sort of what I'm talking about- it's an artificial conviction.
glassjester
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Maybe that's right.
Either way, my view of how it should be fought does not at all determine whether it is murder or not.
Is it the deliberate ending of an innocent human life?
I believe abortion is a necessary evil . It's a very unpleasant thing to happen , but absolutely inevitable. Murder of BORN people is done out of malice . But abortion is not done out of malice .
If women never had abortions, the world would be an even more miserable place than it is . We would have more and more , desperately poor, hungry, malnourished , neglected and abused children in the world. More children growing up in terrible housing , lacking medical care , education , a chance to make it in life . This causes a vicious cycle of more and more poverty, hunger and helplessness .
More and more children whose intelligence would be stunted by growing up malnourished from
birth . We already have so many children growing up like this .
Would Albert Einstein have been able to become a great scientist if he had been born into abject poverty and malnutrition ? No .
This is why it's so important to make sure that women who give birth to children are able to provide good care , housing, nutrition and medical care for them .
And the reason why he prosperous countries of western Europe and Scandinavia have the world's LOWEST abortion rates . Women don't find themselves in the kind of averse circumstances which cause abortion in the first place .
So if you voted for Trump, you voted for a president who is going to cause a steep INCREASE in the abortion rate in America by depriving the poor , and especially poor women of the help they need to prevent abortion . Oh the irony !
If women never had abortions, the world would be an even more miserable place than it is . We would have more and more , desperately poor, hungry, malnourished , neglected and abused children in the world. More children growing up in terrible housing , lacking medical care , education , a chance to make it in life . This causes a vicious cycle of more and more poverty, hunger and helplessness .
More and more children whose intelligence would be stunted by growing up malnourished from
birth . We already have so many children growing up like this .
Would Albert Einstein have been able to become a great scientist if he had been born into abject poverty and malnutrition ? No .
This is why it's so important to make sure that women who give birth to children are able to provide good care , housing, nutrition and medical care for them .
And the reason why he prosperous countries of western Europe and Scandinavia have the world's LOWEST abortion rates . Women don't find themselves in the kind of averse circumstances which cause abortion in the first place .
So if you voted for Trump, you voted for a president who is going to cause a steep INCREASE in the abortion rate in America by depriving the poor , and especially poor women of the help they need to prevent abortion . Oh the irony !
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glassjester
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Why won't he just plainly state what he obviously believes?
glassjester
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And all of those children would be better off dead? Then why not kill them, too?
Why is it that the mother of an unwanted child gets to decide that that child's life is not worth living? It isn't her life, to take away. Would it not be more just to allow the child to decide for himself whether he wants to be alive or be killed?
How, in a just society, do we allow one person to decide that someone else's life isn't worth living?
glassjester
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By Horn's standard, just about every human in history should have been aborted.
glassjester
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What a ridiculous and arbitrary standard it is, too. If a human will suffer in life, he ought not live? That's literally all humans.
ok doser
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except for the wealthy :think: