On Rape (the original statement)

[annabenedetti]

if your daughter stripped naked, smeared herself with baconfat and jumped in the tiger cage at the zoo and then complained about being mauled by the animals, would you be sympathetic?

Dodging again, I see.

Why did she have to be stripped naked? Really, work that one out in your next class. :chuckle:

 

[glorydaz]

Interesting that your scenarios tend to have women naked or stripping or pole dancing. Maybe you have some issues you need to work out.

Actually, it's one of the few instances where some fault for the woman can be assigned. I believe I brought it up first, and I did so for a reason.


My "issue" is that there seems to longer be any common sense on this particular issue. :chuckle:

 

[LoneStar]

And there is never any excuse for any man to rape any woman.

Agreed.

I don't think that's what's being said, though.

Are we in the same thread?

I have read the post from ok doser that follows this one, and I see him telling his daughter that BECAUSE of her actions she shouldn't be surprised at being raped.

 

[glorydaz]

Dodging again, I see.

Why did she have to be stripped naked? Really, work that one out in your next class. :chuckle:

He's trying to make it so obvious one would have to be blind (or flat out stubborn) to not see what any normal person should see.

 

[annabenedetti]

He's trying to make it so obvious one would have to be blind (or flat out stubborn) to not see what any normal person should see.

But as you know, there are plenty of normal people on this thread that don't agree with him, glorydaz.

 

[ok doser]

Agreed.

Are we in the same thread?

I have read the post from ok doser that follows this one, and I see him telling his daughter that BECAUSE of her actions she shouldn't be surprised at being raped.

right

this does not remove any responsibility from the rapist - he is just as guilty for raping

but it's a recognition that the woman's behavior is a contributory factor

if you're going to act like a whore, don't be surprised if guys expect you to be a whore

 

[annabenedetti]

Actually, it's one of the few instances where some fault for the woman can be assigned. I believe I brought it up first, and I did so for a reason.


My "issue" is that there seems to longer be any common sense on this particular issue. :chuckle:

No longer? I would have thought the same as I do now, whether I was a conservative or a liberal. No woman is responsible for sexual violence inflicted on her by another.

 

[annabenedetti]

right

this does not remove any responsibility from the rapist - he is just as guilty for raping

but it's a recognition that the woman's behavior is a contributory factor

if you're going to act like a whore, don't be surprised if guys expect you to be a whore

That's the classic male justification for rape. Congratulations, you pathetic weasel.

 

[glorydaz]

Agreed.

Are we in the same thread?

I have read the post from ok doser that follows this one, and I see him telling his daughter that BECAUSE of her actions she shouldn't be surprised at being raped.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're in the same thread. :chuckle:


I'm afraid I would have to tell my own daughter that she should not be surprised that putting herself in certain situations results in bad things happening. It's a fact of life.

Personally, I think we have been so brain washed to parrot back that rape is NEVER the woman's fault....as if fault must be shared. Nothing takes away from the guilt of the rapist. He gets to keep all of his own fault. But, there are times when the victim must admit to her own culpability. Being where she shouldn't be and doing what she shouldn't be doing.

 

[Angel4Truth]

At the risk of exposing myself, I have had many sluts in my day. At no time did I ever conclude that their stimulating demeanor was to facilitate a rape.

What if they concluded it was, after they regretted it. Is that rape?

 

[annabenedetti]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're in the same thread. :chuckle:


I'm afraid I would have to tell my own daughter that she should not be surprised that putting herself in certain situations results in bad things happening. It's a fact of life.

Personally, I think we have been so brain washed to parrot back that rape is NEVER the woman's fault....as if fault must be shared. Nothing takes away from the guilt of the rapist. He gets to keep all of his own fault. But, there are times when the victim must admit to her own culpability. Being where she shouldn't be and doing what she shouldn't be doing.

Being where she shouldn't be or doing what she shouldn't be doing doesn't make the act of rape more understandable or justifiable, or the victim more culpable.

 

[glorydaz]

That's the classic male justification for rape. Congratulations, you pathetic weasel.

He isn't justifying rape. I realize that is hard for people to accept, but it's simply not the case. :nono:

 

[LoneStar]

As long as you did not expose yourself....

I have no moral pedestal to stand on. It keeps knocking me down as I try to climb aboard.

 

[ok doser]

That's the classic male justification for rape.

you're too blinded by your emotional rage to notice the second line in my post :idunno:

 

[annabenedetti]

He isn't justifying rape. I realize that is hard for people to accept, but it's simply not the case. :nono:

But he is. I'm sorry (sincerely) that you can't see that.

 

[annabenedetti]

you're too blinded by your emotional rage to notice the second line in my post :idunno:

Sorry to disappoint your little scenario, but rage isn't part of the equation here, nor is blindness. You just made an argument for rape.

 

[ok doser]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're in the same thread. :chuckle:


I'm afraid I would have to tell my own daughter that she should not be surprised that putting herself in certain situations results in bad things happening. It's a fact of life.

Personally, I think we have been so brain washed to parrot back that rape is NEVER the woman's fault....as if fault must be shared. Nothing takes away from the guilt of the rapist. He gets to keep all of his own fault. But, there are times when the victim must admit to her own culpability. Being where she shouldn't be and doing what she shouldn't be doing.

feminists want women to be able to act like whores without being called on it :idunno:

 

[glorydaz]

Being where she shouldn't be or doing what she shouldn't be doing doesn't make the act of rape more understandable or justifiable, or the victim more culpable.

Nobody is saying it does.

 

[annabenedetti]

feminists want women to be able to act like whores without being called on it :idunno:

Weasels like you think if women "act like whores" they deserve to be raped.

 

[annabenedetti]

Being where she shouldn't be or doing what she shouldn't be doing doesn't make the act of rape more understandable or justifiable, or the victim more culpable.

Nobody is saying it does.

What does this mean, then?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're in the same thread. :chuckle:


I'm afraid I would have to tell my own daughter that she should not be surprised that putting herself in certain situations results in bad things happening. It's a fact of life.

Personally, I think we have been so brain washed to parrot back that rape is NEVER the woman's fault....as if fault must be shared. Nothing takes away from the guilt of the rapist. He gets to keep all of his own fault. But, there are times when the victim must admit to her own culpability. Being where she shouldn't be and doing what she shouldn't be doing.