On Deservedness

[ok doser]

She still in no ways deserves to be raped though.

just keep making that unsupported statement and maybe somebody will find it convincing :idunno:

 

[Arthur Brain]

In this day and age...what's good for the goose is not good for the gander. Women are special and above all moral laws...from what I'm seeing here.

Then you're not seeing very clearly then. Women are no more above the law than men, and stating that nobody deserves to be raped actually includes the latter...

And just to add, any person, be it man or woman who falsely cries rape deserves to pay a heavy penalty for that in turn.

 

[Arthur Brain]

LOL Surely you've noticed it's the MO of most posters on this and the other rape threads. They live in La La Land. That land of fruits and nuts and libs. :chuckle:

No, they live in the world and whether lib, conservative or whatever happen to find the notion of someone deserving rape to be abhorrent - with good reason.

Nice umpteenth soundbite though.

 

[glorydaz]

He could try I suppose. It wouldn't fly in a court of law and nor would it fly with any reasoning person either. If a patron enters a strip club then he/she knows fine well they're paying for drinks and 'a view', no 'hands on stuff'. The rapist has no excuse and the stripper deserves no assault.



No, she doesn't. It's 100% on the rapist.



She didn't force him to enter the strip club or to be 'enticed'. In no way does the most wild sexual exhibitionist have more guilt than a rapist either. You're just being flat out nuts with that type of argument.

I come by it honestly. Straight from the word of God. 'The stripper tempted me and I did take'. A poor excuse no doubt.

Gen. 3:13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.​

And what does God say to the stripper that did the tempting....

Gen. 3:14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: ​

The harlot does not force, but entices...neither did Satan force, but enticed. You humanists will never understand what I'm saying, because you don't think it's "fair". I'm not surprised in the least that you don't see it.

Proverbs 7:21 With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.

Proverbs 7:25 Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.

Proverbs 7:26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.​

 

[glorydaz]

No, they live in the world and whether lib, conservative or whatever happen to find the notion of someone deserving rape to be abhorrent - with good reason.

Nice umpteenth soundbite though.

From the guy who sees nothing wrong with stripping. :chuckle:

 

[glorydaz]

Then you're not seeing very clearly then. Women are no more above the law than men, and stating that nobody deserves to be raped actually includes the latter...

And just to add, any person, be it man or woman who falsely cries rape deserves to pay a heavy penalty for that in turn.

Ah, so you have decided a false accuser is worse than a woman who uses her body to tempt men to sin? You humanists are great at making up rules....not all of you will agree because of your subjective morality. YOU are merely a little god and you can make whatever proclamations your little heart desires, but you are not the ONE TRUE GOD, so your opinion means jack. :duh:

I have some good tidings if you ever find yourself ready to hear what that is.

 

[Arthur Brain]

I come by it honestly. Straight from the word of God. 'The stripper tempted me and I did take'. A poor excuse no doubt.

Gen. 3:13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.​

And what does God say to the stripper that did the tempting....

Gen. 3:14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: ​

The harlot does not force, but entices...neither did Satan force, but enticed. You humanists will never understand what I'm saying, because you don't think it's "fair". I'm not surprised in the least that you don't see it.

Proverbs 7:21 With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.

Proverbs 7:25 Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.

Proverbs 7:26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.​

A stripper is not a serpent and nor does she entice people to go into a club. Seriously, you may as well blame a glamour model for a bloke having subscribed to playboy...he'll have a great defence if he's caught stalking one...

lain:

There's nothing "humanist" about saying that nobody deserves to be raped, as much as you want to bang that same lame drum.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Ah, so you have decided a false accuser is worse than a woman who uses her body to tempt men to sin? You humanists are great at making up rules....not all of you will agree because of your subjective morality. YOU are merely a little god and you can make whatever proclamations your little heart desires, but you are not the ONE TRUE GOD, so your opinion means jack. :duh:

I have some good tidings if you ever find yourself ready to hear what that is.

Well let's see. Most non whack jobs recognize that rape is a hideous violation of another human being and warrants severe penalty under law. You OTOH have reduced rape to lesser despite victims of such informing you otherwise - so you know jack on that score. It stands to reason that falsely accusing people of such a hideous violation should be taken very seriously also - as not only can it ruin a persons life in turn it deflects away from the actual victims of such a horrific ordeal.

A woman stripping or posing for glamour mags etc?

No bloody comparison GD.

 

[Rusha]

Then you're not seeing very clearly then. Women are no more above the law than men, and stating that nobody deserves to be raped actually includes the latter...

And just to add, any person, be it man or woman who falsely cries rape deserves to pay a heavy penalty for that in turn.

^ This.

 

[glorydaz]

A stripper is not a serpent and nor does she entice people to go into a club. Seriously, you may as well blame a glamour model for a bloke having subscribed to playboy...he'll have a great defence if he's caught stalking one...

lain:

There's nothing "humanist" about saying that nobody deserves to be raped, as much as you want to bang that same lame drum.

Satan wasn't a "serpent" either, he was a fallen angel who tempts men to sin. The stripper entices (tempts) men to sin. No different. This has nothing to do with enticing men to come into some club....it's enticing men to sin no matter how you try to disguise it.

You are absolutely the poster boy for humanist thinking. Subscribing to Playboy is no different than stripping....both are immoral behavior. The fact that you have no concept of morality is why you find it impossible to even begin to comprehend what I say. The natural man does not and cannot understand spiritual things.

 

[Arthur Brain]

From the guy who sees nothing wrong with stripping. :chuckle:

In your land that probably equates to not believing they should be flogged in the streets...

I would chuckle at that but it wasn't funny, just like your own post.

lain:

 

[Arthur Brain]

Satan wasn't a "serpent" either, he was a fallen angel who tempts men to sin. The stripper entices (tempts) men to sin. No different. This has nothing to do with enticing men to come into some club....it's enticing men to sin no matter how you try to disguise it.

You are absolutely the poster boy for humanist thinking. Subscribing to Playboy is no different than stripping....both are immoral behavior. The fact that you have no concept of morality is why you find it impossible to even begin to comprehend what I say. The natural man does not and cannot understand spiritual things.

What about the woman who wears a bikini on the beach? Who wears a low cut top and shorts in summer? Who wears high heels and makeup? Any one of those things and more can cause a sexual attraction in people GD so is any woman not covered from head to toe 'enticing' others to sin? You fixate on strippers and ignore the obvious. The Victorians had pornographic lithographs even if it was 'unseemly' to bear one's calf in public.

You're a poster bearer for self righteous judgement and nothing else. Most everyone of any 'bent' is appalled by your comments so either play the martyr card or just get real.

 

[glorydaz]

Well let's see. Most non whack jobs recognize that rape is a hideous violation of another human being and warrants severe penalty under law. You OTOH have reduced rape to lesser despite victims of such informing you otherwise - so you know jack on that score. It stands to reason that falsely accusing people of such a hideous violation should be taken very seriously also - as not only can it ruin a persons life in turn it deflects away from the actual victims of such a horrific ordeal.

A woman stripping or posing for glamour mags etc?

No bloody comparison GD.

Not in your eyes, clearly. I have always said rape is a horrible thing, but so are stripping, prostituting, and many other immoral or violent deeds. So you can quit beating that dead horse. There can be fault on both sides....greater and lesser fault depending on the particular case. I would say in most rapes, the rapist is the only one at fault. The exception I saw was the stripper who had some fault of her own, most often the lesser fault, but I can't say for sure since I can't see into the hearts and motives of the people involved.


You do not get to say where the greater fault lies, because you have no idea what is in the hearts of the people involved. That person who cries rape may feel violated in ways you don't know. Yet you quickly claim that person is more at fault than a stripper. Good grief.

There could be cases where the stripper did not have the lesser fault, and I'll give you an example of that, too. A young innocent man may easily find himself being tempted to sin by an experienced wanton woman. You can act the fool and claim she didn't deserve to suffer the consequences she earned, but God sees what you never will.

There is intent and motive and there is also being tempted beyond what an inexperienced young man can bear. There are such things as crimes of passion that are justifiable under the law....even under God's law. An experienced sinner and a young previously innocent person are viewed by God in a way YOU will never be able to see.

I'm actually getting sick of you "holier than thou's" assuming you know who is the greater sinner because you look at someone getting what they deserved and whine about the injustice of it all. Just plain ignorant. :nono:

 

[glorydaz]

What about the woman who wears a bikini on the beach? Who wears a low cut top and shorts in summer? Who wears high heels and makeup? Any one of those things and more can cause a sexual attraction in people GD so is any woman not covered from head to toe 'enticing' others to sin? You fixate on strippers and ignore the obvious. The Victorians had pornographic lithographs even if it was 'unseemly' to bear one's calf in public.

You're a poster bearer for self righteous judgement and nothing else. Most everyone of any 'bent' is appalled by your comments so either play the martyr card or just get real.

You want me to play your game, Artie?

According to you, stripping is just fine...just another job. Since stripping is just fine, then, to be consistent, all immoral behavior is just fine. Shall I list out the things you might think are okay? Sex in public places.....gay guys walking around the mall in G-strings.....teachers masturbating in your child's classroom? Or private clubs where children are sold to the highest bidder and paraded naked to entice a pervert to bid more money?

 

[glorydaz]

In your land that probably equates to not believing they should be flogged in the streets...

In your land that would equate to believing one could have sex in the streets....

 

[patrick jane]

You want me to play your game, Artie?

According to you, stripping is just fine...just another job. Since stripping is just fine, then, to be consistent, all immoral behavior is just fine. Shall I list out the things you might think are okay? Sex in public places.....gay guys walking around the mall in G-strings.....teachers masturbating in your child's classroom? Or private clubs where children are sold to the highest bidder and paraded naked to entice a pervert to bid more money?

That stuff happens ?

 

[Rusha]

What about the woman who wears a bikini on the beach? Who wears a low cut top and shorts in summer? Who wears high heels and makeup? Any one of those things and more can cause a sexual attraction in people.

They could, though in reality, rape has never been about sex, but rather about power and control.

 

[glorydaz]

They could, though in reality, rape has never been about sex, but rather about power and control.

Rape is about sex. Sometimes it is also about power and control, but not always. Sometimes it is about uncontrolled LUST. Period.

 

[glorydaz]

That stuff happens ?

Of course that stuff happens. It's a sick world out there, and no one can teach those people to be "decent".

 

[Arthur Brain]

Not in your eyes, clearly. I have always said rape is a horrible thing, but so are stripping, prostituting, and many other immoral or violent deeds. So you can quit beating that dead horse. There can be fault on both sides....greater and lesser fault depending on the particular case. I would say in most rapes, the rapist is the only one at fault. The exception I saw was the stripper who had some fault of her own, most often the lesser fault, but I can't say for sure since I can't see into the hearts and motives of the people involved.

Clearly so, yes. Stripping doesn't even come into the same state, let alone ball park as the hideous violation of rape. It is no excuse whatsoever for a person to force a horrific ordeal on someone and it is 100% on the rapist, period.

You do not get to say where the greater fault lies, because you have no idea what is in the hearts of the people involved. That person who cries rape may feel violated in ways you don't know. Yet you quickly claim that person is more at fault than a stripper. Good grief.

Yeah I do and so does the law. A rape victim has been sexually violated against their will, period. Nobody forces a person to rape someone and they can make as many excuses as they like, it wouldn't and shouldn't hold up.

There could be cases where the stripper did not have the lesser fault, and I'll give you an example of that, too. A young innocent man may easily find himself being tempted to sin by an experienced wanton woman. You can act the fool and claim she didn't deserve to suffer the consequences she earned, but God sees what you never will.

She wouldn't deserve to be raped by this 'innocent' man simply because she was performing her job. She wouldn't deserve to be raped if she was deliberating seducing the guy in a back room by the same token. You ain't God either.

There is intent and motive and there is also being tempted beyond what an inexperienced young man can bear. There are such things as crimes of passion that are justifiable under the law....even under God's law. An experienced sinner and a young previously innocent person are viewed by God in a way YOU will never be able to see.

Er, you an expert on what inexperienced men can bear now or something? Since when?

I'm actually getting sick of you "holier than thou's" assuming you know who is the greater sinner because you look at someone getting what they deserved and whine about the injustice of it all. Just plain ignorant. :nono:

Oh take a look in the mirror GD. You've been a pious 'voice of morality' ever since you opened your mouth on the subject. The fact that most everyone can agree that rape is not something that is deserved is separate from your loony self righteous blather.