On Deservedness

[patrick jane]

Well of course ... who else could these types (the example used in the OP) blame their actions on?

There are women who love male strippers though too, to be fair. I wonder the percentage of men that have watched a stripper live and in person, at least once.

 

[Rusha]

There are women who love male strippers though too, to be fair. I wonder the percentage of men that have watched a stripper live and in person, at least once.

Oh ... I haven't yet seen an argument stating male strippers deservedto be raped.

Which pretty much puts things in perspective ... rapists are being defended (by a few) to react violently to a woman taking off her clothes.

Never mind that no one dragged them there kicking and screaming ...

 

[ClimateSanity]

Of course most "decent men" don't frequent strip bars. And most decent women don't strip for men who aren't their husbands.

Speaking of personal responsibility....the stripper is responsible for her own actions just as the man who is enticed is responsible for his actions. Instead of the stripper blaming the man she has enticed, she needs to accept the blame for her part....just as the man needs to accept the blame for his part. There are no innocents at a strip club.

The fact there are no decent men at strip clubs out to put the warning bells out there for high risk rape environment, but a woman has no responsibility whatsoever in keeping herself away from such environments right?

 

[ClimateSanity]

Of course most "decent men" don't frequent strip bars. And most decent women don't strip for men who aren't their husbands.

Speaking of personal responsibility....the stripper is responsible for her own actions just as the man who is enticed is responsible for his actions. Instead of the stripper blaming the man she has enticed, she needs to accept the blame for her part....just as the man needs to accept the blame for his part. There are no innocents at a strip club.

Can someone here give me a quote of anyone saying these men who frequent strip clubs or view porn or call sex hotlines are not responsible and shouldn't have to exercise self control???????????

It appears to me someone has created a figment of their imagination and called it reality.

 

[patrick jane]

Can someone here give me a quote of anyone saying these men who frequent strip clubs or view porn or call sex hotlines are not responsible and shouldn't have to exercise self control???????????

It appears to me someone has created a figment of their imagination and called it reality.

:chuckle: I think maybe the judge said it, in a roundabout way.

 

[ok doser]

Oh ... I haven't yet seen an argument stating male strippers deservedto be raped.

sure you have - you're just too retarded to have noticed that nobody is assigning a gender to the term "stripper"



i clipped the rest of your retarded rant

 

[ok doser]

There are women who love male strippers though too, to be fair. I wonder the percentage of men that have watched a stripper live and in person, at least once.

i watched a male stripper once, at a friend's 30th birthday party

 

[patrick jane]

i watched a male stripper once, at a friend's 30th birthday party

Now that you mention it I did too. I had that blocked out until now, thanks

Not a 30th but a female birthday party.

 

[ok doser]

my friend was also a female, rather straitlaced and shy

her husband, my best friend arranged it

it was a hoot - the performer was a nice guy, didn't take it all off, and stuck around for a piece of birthday cake

 

[patrick jane]

my friend was also a female, rather straitlaced and shy

her husband, my best friend arranged it

it was a hoot - the performer was a nice guy, didn't take it all off, and stuck around for a piece of birthday cake

yep no nudity but a tad raunchy for me

 

[Arthur Brain]

Of course most "decent men" don't frequent strip bars. And most decent women don't strip for men who aren't their husbands.

Speaking of personal responsibility....the stripper is responsible for her own actions just as the man who is enticed is responsible for his actions. Instead of the stripper blaming the man she has enticed, she needs to accept the blame for her part....just as the man needs to accept the blame for his part. There are no innocents at a strip club.

Well, nope. Where it comes to rape then the 'stripper' can simply blame her attacker, as would the law. Regardless of moral sensibilities, the stripper is simply doing a paid job and shouldn't feel in any way responsible for some nut assaulting her because he's four wheels short of a car. Nobody forces men to go into strip clubs. A rapist forces sexual assault onto another.

 

[Rusha]

Well, nope. Where it comes to rape then the 'stripper' can simply blame her attacker, as would the law. Regardless of moral sensibilities, the stripper is simply doing a paid job and shouldn't feel in any way responsible for some nut assaulting her because he's four wheels short of a car. Nobody forces men to go into strip clubs. A rapist forces sexual assault onto another.

So odd how that simple FACT is conveniently dismissed ...

 

[Arthur Brain]

The fact there are no decent men at strip clubs out to put the warning bells out there for high risk rape environment, but a woman has no responsibility whatsoever in keeping herself away from such environments right?

Actually, any strip club run to professional standards would be a pretty safe environment to work in. Do you think the employees aren't protected in any way?

 

[glorydaz]

Well, nope. Where it comes to rape then the 'stripper' can simply blame her attacker, as would the law.

And the rapist could simply blame the stripper for flaunting her naked body and then withholding it. And laws vary....God's law doesn't vary. Wrong is wrong whether it's stripping or raping.

Regardless of moral sensibilities, the stripper is simply doing a paid job and shouldn't feel in any way responsible for some nut assaulting her because he's four wheels short of a car. Nobody forces men to go into strip clubs. A rapist forces sexual assault onto another.

A hit man is simply doing a paid job. An abortionist is just doing a paid job. They both should feel guilty for their bad behavior, however. As should the stripper. She does have some responsibility for what happens to her because of her bad behavior.

She didn't "force" the rapist to attack her, but she did entice him. Just as Satan didn't force Eve to eat the apple, he enticed her. Nevertheless, God faulted him for his part in the fall. Those who entice have as much guilt as those who act....sometimes more guilt.

 

[glorydaz]

Actually, any strip club run to professional standards would be a pretty safe environment to work in. Do you think the employees aren't protected in any way?

Strippers strip at frat parties and personal home parties....not just clubs. Bad behavior is risky behavior. Much more risky than good behavior.

 

[glorydaz]

Oh ... I haven't yet seen an argument stating male strippers deservedto be raped.

Which pretty much puts things in perspective ... rapists are being defended (by a few) to react violently to a woman taking off her clothes.

Never mind that no one dragged them there kicking and screaming ...

All people....men or women, deserve whatever they get for their bad behavior. Right and wrong is never gender specific. The rabbit trails undertaken to distract from the simplicity of good and evil, right and wrong, and darkness and light is quite revealing. :think:

 

[glorydaz]

The fact there are no decent men at strip clubs out to put the warning bells out there for high risk rape environment, but a woman has no responsibility whatsoever in keeping herself away from such environments right?

In this day and age...what's good for the goose is not good for the gander. Women are special and above all moral laws...from what I'm seeing here.

 

[glorydaz]

Can someone here give me a quote of anyone saying these men who frequent strip clubs or view porn or call sex hotlines are not responsible and shouldn't have to exercise self control???????????

It appears to me someone has created a figment of their imagination and called it reality.

LOL Surely you've noticed it's the MO of most posters on this and the other rape threads. They live in La La Land. That land of fruits and nuts and libs. :chuckle:

 

[Arthur Brain]

And the rapist could simply blame the stripper for flaunting her naked body and then withholding it. And laws vary....God's law doesn't vary. Wrong is wrong whether it's stripping or raping.

He could try I suppose. It wouldn't fly in a court of law and nor would it fly with any reasoning person either. If a patron enters a strip club then he/she knows fine well they're paying for drinks and 'a view', no 'hands on stuff'. The rapist has no excuse and the stripper deserves no assault.

A hit man is simply doing a paid job. An abortionist is just doing a paid job. They both should feel guilty for their bad behavior, however. As should the stripper. She does have some responsibility for what happens to her because of her bad behavior.

No, she doesn't. It's 100% on the rapist.

She didn't "force" the rapist to attack her, but she did entice him. Just as Satan didn't force Eve to eat the apple, he enticed her. Nevertheless, God faulted him for his part in the fall. Those who entice have as much guilt as those who act....sometimes more guilt.

She didn't force him to enter the strip club or to be 'enticed'. In no way does the most wild sexual exhibitionist have more guilt than a rapist either. You're just being flat out nuts with that type of argument.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Strippers strip at frat parties and personal home parties....not just clubs. Bad behavior is risky behavior. Much more risky than good behavior.

True, and stripping to the buff in a drunken state among other drunken frat students isn't exactly advisable, though nobody seems to have said that it is. She still in no ways deserves to be raped though.