ECT Omnipresence of Jesus

[0scar]

Romans 10:6
But the righteousness that comes from faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down)

 

[0scar]

He only "emptied" Himself to accommodate us.

we are not omnipresent

 

[0scar]

Then you have a contradiction in the Bible, my friend. For Jesus was in the heart of the Earth for three days and three nights (Matthew 12:40). Jesus was buried in a tomb. That is hardly the heart of the Earth.

WRONG
You are contradicting yourself
You say that Jesus was omnipresent. In that case Jesus has always been in the heart of the Earth, and always be. If Jesus was there only 3 days, then he wasint before and after. Then Jesus is not omnipresent.

 

[0scar]

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption."

"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption."​

In other words, Jesus soul was not left in Hell (i.e. Hades - The land of the dead) because He had risen from the grave or was resurrected.

Obviously Jesus soul is not on Hell. If Jesus soul is not on Hell, Jesus is not everywhere. If Jesus is not everywhere, he is not omnipresent.

 

[0scar]

God will bring those who have fallen asleep with the Lord Jesus when He comes down from heaven. That means that those who are dead in Christ are already in heaven or else how can they be with the Lord when He comes down from heaven.

What you are saying is that Christ is at Heaven and is not on Earth. You are confessing Christ not being omnipresent.

 

[0scar]

the fabrication of the heretic doctrine of the Hypostatic Union has created more problems than solutions. and as we can clearly see, the false doctrine of an omnipresent Jesus Christ has created serious problems al along the entire christian doctrines. it is almost impossible to teach christian doctrine if it is insist on the false concept of a omnipresent Jesus Christ.

those false doctrines makes a Jesus Christ that never came dow, never rose back and never will retur. because he have always been here and there. that false omnipresence put him all the time in heaven earth and ell; a non stop presence everywhere.

 

[intojoy]

the fabrication of the heretic doctrine of the Hypostatic Union has created more problems than solutions. and as we can clearly see, the false doctrine of an omnipresent Jesus Christ has created serious problems al along the entire christian doctrines. it is almost impossible to teach christian doctrine if it is insist on the false concept of a omnipresent Jesus Christ.



those false doctrines makes a Jesus Christ that never came dow, never rose back and never will retur. because he have always been here and there. that false omnipresence put him all the time in heaven earth and ell; a non stop presence everywhere.

Only in His humanity was Yeshua not omnipresent nor was He omniscient because God (Jesus) self limited Himself in the second person of the trinity before the resurrection. Now those limitations are removed and Christ as God is omnipresent again.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Only in His humanity was Yeshua not omnipresent nor was He omniscient because God (Jesus) self limited Himself in the second person of the trinity before the resurrection. Now those limitations are removed and Christ as God is omnipresent again.

If the Son of Man was already on the earth before He took on flesh then why was it necessary for Him to come down from heaven?:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven" (Jn.3:13).​

 

[0scar]

Only in His humanity was Yeshua not omnipresent nor was He omniscient because God (Jesus) self limited Himself in the second person of the trinity before the resurrection. Now those limitations are removed and Christ as God is omnipresent again.

Thanks
You are one of the very few, if not the first that recognice that Jesus as in the gospels do not demostrate any sign of omnipresence.

Then... why do you believe he was omnipresent but limiotating such omnipresence? That conclusion is a made up by theologians but without any scriptural support.

Is Christ today omnipresent? Then he is everywhere. He is everywhere including Hell. jesus went to Hell to preach and still is there. he also is here on Earth. Jesus today is on Earth and makes not sense waiting for him to return when he is already here.

But you say his humanity was not omnipresent. You are also a Nestorian. You divide Jesus into parts, some being divine some not being divine. You say that Jesus body was not divine wich not only is an heresy, also contradict Colosians.

 

[0scar]

If the Son of Man was already on the earth before He took on flesh then why was it necessary for Him to come down from heaven?:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven" (Jn.3:13).​

You are right. The Son of Man (Christ) was not already on Earth before he became a man. He was not omnipresent, for he was not on Earth. Jesus was not omnipresent. Am I wrong?

 

[0scar]

I have always maintained that in bodily form, either in an heavenly body or an earthly one, the Lord Jesus cannot be in two places at once.

Jesus was not omnipresent.

 

[0scar]

No, my friend. Jesus was in hades or the land of the dead when his body was in the Tomb because he preached unto the spirits in prison (i.e. those souls who rebelled against God during the global flood).

1 Peter 3:18-20

"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."​

(You can cross reference the word "prison" in Revelation 20:7 with the devil being loosed out of his "prison" - Which is obviously in Hell).

Also, similar language is found in 2 Peter 2:4-10 when God spared not the angels that sinned and cast them down into Hell and delivered them into chains of darkness.

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison

Jesus went to Hades because he was not on Hades. Since Jesus was not on Hades he was not everywhere. One more confession of the non-omnipresence of Jesus.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Jesus was not omnipresent.

Was He omnipresent before He took on flesh?

 

[intojoy]

If the Son of Man was already on the earth before He took on flesh then why was it necessary for Him to come down from heaven?:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven" (Jn.3:13).​

That's pretty presumptuous.
Why was it necessary for Him to die as a human rather than a God?

These are stupid questions jerry.

 

[intojoy]

Thanks

You are one of the very few, if not the first that recognice that Jesus as in the gospels do not demostrate any sign of omnipresence.



Then... why do you believe he was omnipresent but limiotating such omnipresence? That conclusion is a made up by theologians but without any scriptural support.



Is Christ today omnipresent? Then he is everywhere. He is everywhere including Hell. jesus went to Hell to preach and still is there. he also is here on Earth. Jesus today is on Earth and makes not sense waiting for him to return when he is already here.



But you say his humanity was not omnipresent. You are also a Nestorian. You divide Jesus into parts, some being divine some not being divine. You say that Jesus body was not divine wich not only is an heresy, also contradict Colosians.

Your definition of omnipresent is wrong

 

[0scar]

No, 1 Peter 1:18 talks about Jesus' death and resurrection and 1 Peter 3:19 says it is by this process that he preached unto the spirits in prison. So Jesus was in hades or the land of the dead during the time his body was in the tomb for three days.



Well, as I said before, Jesus is Omnipresent...

If Jesus was in hades only for 3 days, then he was not in hades before and is not on hades today. Somebody that is not in at least one place (hades in this case) can not be omnipresent.

 

[0scar]

Was He omnipresent before He took on flesh?

Jesus had omnipresence before emtying himself becoming in form of man.

 

[0scar]

Your definition of omnipresent is wrong

what wiil be yours?

 

[intojoy]

what wiil be yours?

Spiritual ability that is unfathomable by created beings.

 

[0scar]

Spiritual ability that is unfathomable by created beings.

You mean the ability to see throw solid objects? or the ability to fly across the universe?

Omnipresence is being everywhere. Every time christians - also in this forum - try to demostrate Jesus omnipresence they try to demostrate that he is everywhere. Every time christians - also in this forum - try to demostrate that Jesus is everywhere, they claim he is omnipresent.

om·ni·pres·ent
adjective - present everywhere at the same time: the omnipresent God.
Origin: 1600–10; < Medieval Latin omnipraesent- (stem of omnipraesēns ), equivalent to Latin omni- omni- + praesent- present1

If Jesus is in Heaven, not on earth and not on Hades / Hell; he is not everywhere.