ECT Omnipresence of Jesus

0scar

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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
In reality, you must present the hermeneutical processes for each of the historical formulations, and debunk them from scripture. Nobody else should have to do that in defense when you provide no alternative. I've personally asked and you refuse to answer about Christology.
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0scar

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You havent accept the true doctrine on this issue.
It is necessary to insist on it.
Either recognize it, or refute it.
 
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Krsto said:
It's much easier to demonstrate Jesus did not have the divine nature in its totality. He was not omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent, and was totally dependent on the Father for everything he was that wasn't a product of being a human being.
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Good point. Jesus was not omniscient, not omnipresent and not omnipotent. The knowledge of him was that of a prophet. Hes presence was human as that of any human. His power was that of the power we christians have.

Those omni are part of being in the from of God. Not having those omni is part of being in the form of men. Having those omni is what Christ did empty of.

But all that is matter of another thread.
 
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0scar said:
Many christians do the next thinking: Jesus is God, God is omnipresent, Jesus is omnipresent.
This is a human reasoning. Human reasoning is the base principle of the gnostisism. The gnostisism start by believing that God and the truth of God can be reached by human thinking, reasoning and logic.
But human reasoning is dangerous and take us into the next thinking: If Jesus were not omnipresent, Jesus were not God, since God is omnipresent.

Trying to understan God and Jesus with the same atitude and tols of the gnostics, only get us into troubles and falceties. The falcety is that the deity of Jesus is directly conected to the fact of him being or not being omnipresent.

But the truth is that the conection between Jesus deity and Jesus omnipresence is merely a gnostic-like reasoning. Jesus being God has nothing to do with Jesus being omnipresent.

I strongly believe, out of any doubt that Jesus was (past tence refers to his time on Earth) God, completely divine.
And I know by reading the NT that Jesus was NOT omnipresent at all.

Do you have/know of any verse in the Bible stating Jesus omnipresence?
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There is no verse stating that Jesus Christ is omnipresent.

He is spiritually cognizant of all that the Father reveals to him however.

John 5:19-20,30

Jesus can only be in one place at one time.

He walked to get from one place to another.
 
0scar

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we are discusing Jesús not omnipotence, and not omniscience, but Jesús also was not omnipresent
 
0scar

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Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

Jesús is refering to the second coming of the Son of Man. Todat we are expecting his second coming, because he is not here. He is not here because he is not omnipresent, otherwise he would be here and everywhere.
 
Totton Linnet

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That is foolish really, what do you think he has got His trainers on, running from town and village around the world to check in every home and meeting venue to see if 2 or 3 Christians are gathered together?
 
0scar

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Totton Linnet said:
That is foolish really, what do you think he has got His trainers on, running from town and village around the world to check in every home and meeting venue to see if 2 or 3 Christians are gathered together?
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sounds like Santa in Christmas eve
 
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Bright Raven said:
Then why do you deny him the attributes of God?
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I dont denay the atributes of God. To be omnipresent is not a stribute of God, to be omniscient is not an atribute of God, to be omnipotent is not an atribute of God.
The fact is that all Gospels declare that Jesús was not omnipresent, not omniscient and not omnipotent.
In all Scrupture, more special in the NT, there is not a single text declaring Jesús to be omnipresent, or omnipotent or omniscient.
In the contrary, the Gospels give testimony of the too many things Jesús didnt know at all. The Gospels testify of the very limited presence of Jesús as that of any human. And the Gospels give testimony that Jesús has the same power of any prophet, and testify of how impotent Jesús was in ocations.
 
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0scar said:
I dont denay the atributes of God. To be omnipresent is not a stribute of God, to be omniscient is not an atribute of God, to be omnipotent is not an atribute of God.
The fact is that all Gospels declare that Jesús was not omnipresent, not omniscient and not omnipotent.
In all Scrupture, more special in the NT, there is not a single text declaring Jesús to be omnipresent, or omnipotent or omniscient.
In the contrary, the Gospels give testimony of the too many things Jesús didnt know at all. The Gospels testify of the very limited presence of Jesús as that of any human. And the Gospels give testimony that Jesús has the same power of any prophet, and testify of how impotent Jesús was in ocations.
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You are in error. Check it out. http://www.navigators.org/Tools/Dis...ys of Praying the Names and Attributes of God
 
1Mind1Spirit

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0scar said:
I dont denay the atributes of God. To be omnipresent is not a stribute of God, to be omniscient is not an atribute of God, to be omnipotent is not an atribute of God.
The fact is that all Gospels declare that Jesús was not omnipresent, not omniscient and not omnipotent.
In all Scrupture, more special in the NT, there is not a single text declaring Jesús to be omnipresent, or omnipotent or omniscient.
In the contrary, the Gospels give testimony of the too many things Jesús didnt know at all. The Gospels testify of the very limited presence of Jesús as that of any human. And the Gospels give testimony that Jesús has the same power of any prophet, and testify of how impotent Jesús was in ocations.
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