Originally posted by Zakath
How so? What can you do to demonstrate that you're not just another religious crackpot or delusional neurotic or psychotic making grandiose claims of communion with otherworldly beings?
:think:
Weren't you a Pastor once, and shouldn't you know the answers to these questions?
If you can't understand me when I'm using worldly things like caterpillars and radio waves for examples, how will you understand me if I tell you about spiritual things?
Originally posted by Zakath
Ahh, so now your qualified to re-translate the New Testament...
Somehow, I don't think so. :think:
If you disagree with anything I paraphrase, then please prove why my interpretation of the Hebrew or Greek is flawed.
Originally posted by Zakath
No, we parted ways, back when you declared yourself a believer in something no one can see, hear, touch, taste or otherwise experience except through your claims of alleged "truth".
Yeah, like I implied. Thanks.
Originally posted by Zakath
Most of the evidences you refer to either do not support your point (such as the depth of the Red Sea), or are provided by people who have gravely misunderstood geology and have little concrete evidence to back up their claims.
Nonsense, Zakath. You don't know what you are talking about.
I personally know someone that went diving at the Red Sea crossing site, and she claims there is an underwater land bridge just as Wyatt, Williams, and Cornuke have all claimed. She is a person I trust, with no motivation to perpetrate a con. I've seen photographs of people standing on this underwater landbridge at high tide in waste-high to chest-high water, and I've seen arial photographs of the area revealing the underwater landbridge, exposed in areas at low tide. The Exodus crossing site exists. Deal with it.
Besides the burnt moutain top of Jabal al Lawz, there is a large wing-shaped altar site with sections of marble columns scattered near it. There is an altar made with large stones incribed with Egyptian Bull God symbols that probably held the calf that was worshiped. There is a split rock, with a small burnt patch near it, and the stones below that split rock show evidence of an enormous amount of water coming from the split rock, making the rocks below it smooth. There is even more evidence like that, which you cannot refute.
Originally posted by Zakath
There is an interesting refutation of Cornuke's alleged claims about the mountain he describes as Mt. Sinai over on
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/feedback/dec03.html.
To sum up the points:
Essentially, direct oservations by both "secular" and religious geologists of the Jabal al Lawz region readily refute argument by Cornuke and Halbrook (2000) that the top of Jabal al Lawz has been either charred or recently melted. If the rocks on the summit of Jabal al Lawz look "melted" it is because they consist of metamorphosed lava and other extrusive igneous rocks called "greenstone", formed from the cooling of once molten rocks billions of years before the Israelites even existed. This "remarkable find" is actually a remarkable blunder on the part of people, who obviously didn't understand anything about the geology of the area that they were studying. There is nothing about the geology of Jabal al Lawz that indicates it was either melted or charred by any event reported to have occurred by the Bible.
That is what you call an interesting refutation? Are YOU
that gullible, Zakath? I'll break it down for you so you don't need to remain confused.
First, the author of the quoted material is Mr. Anonymous. The letter that includes what you quoted begins "Mr. Anonymous stated:" So you are offering me an "interesting refutation" by an author that feels the need to hide his name. Great start!
Essentially, direct oservations by both "secular" and religious geologists of the Jabal al Lawz region readily refute argument by Cornuke and Halbrook (2000) that the top of Jabal al Lawz has been either charred or recently melted.
Yeah, right, Mr. Anonymous. Atheists may be that gullible, but I'll need to see some statements from some "secular" and religious geologists. Funny how this letter from Mr. Anonymous doesn't contain ANY quotes from ANY geologists. :curious:
If the rocks on the summit of Jabal al Lawz look "melted" it is because they consist of metamorphosed lava and other extrusive igneous rocks called "greenstone", formed from the cooling of once molten rocks billions of years before the Israelites even existed.
Okay. I see. If the rocks look "melted" it's because they were "melted" (lava and extrusive rock). So Mr. Anonymous is trying to explain away melted rock by claiming it was melted before the Exodus. Based on his references, he is formulating this opinion with maps, and has not seen the rocks at the site up close like Cornuke and others have.
Let's see what Mr. Anonymous
thinks geologists would regard or not regard about Cornuke's find. I mean, Mr. Anonymous' opinion about what some geologists might think is something we should all consider. :chuckle:
Unfortunately, geologists, who are familiar with the geology of the area, in which Cornuke and Halbrook (2000) claimed to have found Mt. Sinai, would certainly not regard their ideas about Jabal al Lawz being Mt. Sinai a "remarkable geological find." Rather, they would regard their interpretation that the top of Jabal al Lawz had been both melted and charred by any event during the last few thousand years to be a remarkable geological blunder on the part of Cornuke and Halbrook (2000).
All I see is a remarkable debating blunder. I can't believe you were stupid enough to quote that letter, Zakath.
There is nothing about the geology of Jabal al Lawz that indicates it was either melted or charred by any event reported to have occurred by the Bible.
There is nothing about the letter you quoted that makes me believe I should give it any credibility.
Originally posted by Zakath
If you're really interested in scientific discussion of the area, see...
- Bramkamp, R. A., Brown, G. F., Holm, D. A., and Layne, N. M., Jr., 1963, Geologic Map of the Wadi As Sirhan Quadrangle Kingdom of Suadi Arabia. U.S. Geological Survey Miscellaneous Geologic Investigations Map I-200A. U.S. Geological Survey, Reston, Virginia. Scale: 1:250,000.
- Shelton, John S., 1966, Geology Illustrated. Freeman Press. San Francisco, California.
- Trent, Virgil A., and Johnson, Robert F., 1967, Geologic map of the Jabal al Lawz Quadrangle, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia; U.S. Geol. Survey, Mineral Investigation Map MI-13, 1:100,000.
The references you quote above are the footnotes copied out of the same letter from which you quoted the previous nonsense about Cornuke's supposed flawed understanding of geology.
Sadly for you, those are maps and not "scientific discussion", as you foolishly assert. Open your eyes, dude. :doh:
I wonder how much scientific discussion is happening at "Scale: 1:250,000" compared to "Scale: 1:100,000", or how much of the 1966 edition of Geology Illustrated is devoted to scientifically refuting Cornuke's claims. :chuckle:
Okay, Zakath. I'm putting you on
ignorant. :chuckle:
Originally posted by Zakath
Their ignorance and your gullibility are not my problem, they're yours.
How about, YOUR ignorance and gullibility are your downfall?
Originally posted by Zakath
Well, then perhaps you'd better go back to your made-for-TV "biblical archeology" specials and stop wasting all of our time... :thumb:
There are made-for-TV specials for many different things, like undersea exploration (Titanic), String Theory, the making of the Atom Bomb. Are you saying everything that is depicted in a made-for-TV special is a waste of time?
The evidence is there, from
multiple sources. The Exodus happened. Deal with it.
Originally posted by Zakath
Based on the other things you've posted, your lack of intelligence about atheists in general, and me in particular, isn't any more offensive than the maunderings of a two year old.
Great! Then I'll feel free to continue calling you what you are, a God-hater.
Originally posted by Zakath
I do not "hate God" any more than I "hate" Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny when I claim that they do not exist. Hating something that does not exist is neither rational, or a good way to spend one's energy.
From my perspective, you hate God. I acknowledge your perspective, but disagree with your interpretation of reality.
See ya around, Zakath.
