Messianic Judaism Gaining Momentum in Israel

[patrick jane]

The Father selects those he gives to Christ.

He hasn't selected you

 

[jamie]

He hasn't selected you

Thanks.

 

[patrick jane]

Thanks.

What I meant was, maybe He won't select you

 

[jamie]

What I meant was, maybe He won't select you

The primary resurrection is the second one.

The first resurrection is for those who are Christ's at his coming.

He is coming to establish his government over the earth.

He needs a few good souls to assist him.

Maybe you will be one of them.

 

[patrick jane]

The primary resurrection is the second one.

The first resurrection is for those who are Christ's at his coming.

He is coming to establish his government over the earth.

He needs a few good souls to assist him.

Maybe you will be one of them.

We both will 1 Timothy 4:10 KJV -

 

[Interplanner]

Much of the time you act like no one has studied the Scripture or Biblical terms but you.

I've been studying the Scriptures as a believer for 38 years.

*The Hebrew word yisra-el is derived from two root words, Yisra which has an uncertain meaning but in the context it means to struggle or rule.
The other root word is 'el', which is used in Hebrew to refer to GOD.
Thus 'Israel' means to struggle with GOD, to be ruled by GOD or to rule with GOD.
Jacob surrendered to God in order to be ruled by God, thus began the early stages of the theocracy of the nation of Israel.

Paul never uses the term 'Israel' to refer to the church which is the Body of Christ, which is a new creation distinct from national Israel and composed of believers from all nations(including Israel) without rank. Jew and gentile are equal in the BOC. Before the formation of the BOC, Israel was the privileged nation.

Like I said, the first choice meaning is to struggle with God. He did wrestle with an angel of some sort there, did you notice?

There is not a new distinct creation separate from israel. God only works with those who have faith, Jew or Gentile, old or new testament. That's why hebrews reads retroactively in ch 11. In Rom 9:26 Paul made clear, with 4 quotes from the OT, that Gentiles are included in God's people, called the sons of Abraham, which means those who are that by faith. He still made some generalized remarks about Israel the race because so few believed, but there are not ongoing race or ethnic boundaries.

the idea that those were fixed is a Judaistic mistake, pursued especially after the exile so that such an event could not happen again. They loved the laws about that to death.

The NT makes it clear everywhere that it is faith and the fruit of faith that puts a person in God's fellowship and community.

 

[Epoisses]

Paul is not saying that just any man is a Jew inwardly, but that a true Jew is a Jew that is one inwardly by the circumcision of the heart reflecting GOD's desire for Israel.

Deu 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.


The term 'Jew' in Ro 2 is referring to the same 'Jew' as in Ro 3, those to whom GOD gave the oracles.

Gentiles do not become Jews.

It's a contradiction for people to cite Gal 3:28 to say that there are no Christians who are Jews, and then claim Rom 2:29 and say that they themselves are Christians who are Jews.

There are Jews of the flesh and Jews of the Spirit.
Just like there is a circumcision of the flesh and one of the heart.
Just like there is a covenant of works and a covenant of faith.
Just like there is a law of stone and a law of love.
Just like there is an Israel of the flesh and an Israel of God.
Just like there was an earthly temple and an heavenly one.
Just like there is an old Jerusalem and a new Jerusalem.
Do I need to keep going?

 

[Interplanner]

There are Jews of the flesh and Jews of the Spirit.
Just like there is a circumcision of the flesh and one of the heart.
Just like there is a covenant of works and a covenant of faith.
Just like there is a law of stone and a law of love.
Just like there is an Israel of the flesh and an Israel of God.
Just like there was an earthly temple and an heavenly one.
Just like there is an old Jerusalem and a new Jerusalem.
Do I need to keep going?

Steko, the better term for what Paul is describing in Rom 2 and Gal 3 is trans-cultural. Ie, beyond them (all). The people are still what they were born as, but now in Christ and in fellowship everyone is in another 'culture' or another 'ethne' (as used in Mt 21's parable of the vineyard). He created another 'nation' that has people in it from every tribe and tongue and nation, says the Rev.

Just look at male and female. We can't obliterate the distinction in all types of human activity or there would be sexual chaos. But we can in Christian fellowship recognize that a woman does not need anything extra than Christ for justification--nothing other than what men need; as you may know, there is female circumcision in Islam, as one of its many misconceptions.

These things are resolved in the doctrine of justification in Christ. "IT is the standing or falling article" said Luther. The same is true in many parts of Christian doctrine and practices.