Ecumenicist
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Sorry, bean soup for dinner...
Oh, I thought you asked if anyone sat on a duck...
be doomp cha!
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Sorry, bean soup for dinner...
Oh, I thought you asked if anyone sat on a duck...
be doomp cha!
Ecumenicist
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You mean like a luke warm theology?
I've said it before, I think that a Univeralist God would be just
as tyranical as a homo hating right wing God.
What's going to happen when Poly gets to the gates and
sees Beanie? She's gonna say "wait a minute, if he's in
there, I'm not going in." You think God's going to force
her into heavan? I think not...
djm
Oh? and how's that?
Oh? and how is that?
Yeah, she will be the one whinging about her "wages" and her little shack on the outSKIRTS of town. go figure...
Using YOUR theology let's see.
A.) Burn in torture FOREVER...
B.) Spend eternit in BLISS...
Damn that God of force...
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Ecumenicist
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Oh, so your heavan has a good section and a bad section of
town. I see...
A. Accept God's Graceful, Loving invitation into reconcilliation
and paradise.
B. Reject it and suffer in darkness, of your own free will.
God is a God of invitation, not force.
djm
I admit this is idle speculation on my part but I have contemplated that some stars are brighter than others.
I thought better of you Dave. Your presentation amounts to more of the same.
IF you are a BLINDED SLAVE OF SIN in this life, toooo bad.
God not only BOUND you TO disobedience, but at the end of this life He will commence your eternal torture.
Oh, yeah, that SIN He said He is not holding against you? Well, He was LYING. He is going to take that time when you stole the candy bar from the grocery store and AMPLIFY it endless numbers of times torturing your mind and body for all of live long eternity.
Your presentation of FREEWILL PERFORMANCE to "obtain" GOD'S LOVE and God not being ABLE to intervene in a persons life is a bunch of nonsense.
God intervenes CONTINUALLY in this world. Everything is held together by HIM.
You freewiller act like He made the world, gave it a spin. Sent His Son down with a few SENTENCES and then took off.
Then you spend your time condemning others for not using their freewill to GET THEMSELVES OUT OF TROUBLE. You expect them to defeat an entity that is what? Thousands of years old and FILLED with deception and able to enter peoples bodies and manipulate their minds.
go figure.
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I am a disgusting, vile, wicked pervert! I am not worthy of anything God has to offer me, and all he asks is that I accept His gift. He offers it to me even though I don't deserve it. How could someone love me so much?! It breaks my heart. I don't deserve this, but he offers it to me anyway. He tells me that I don't have to get what I deserve. And He merely waits for me to accept or reject. And he doesn't just tell me to go to hell, if I refuse. He merely tells me that hell is what I deserve, but I don't have to go there...and if I ever decide to accept Him, He will be there waiting for me. I think I want to accept that love.
Dave-
The only way beanie is going to be in heaven is if he accepts God's grace. If I get to heaven and see him in there, I will not refuse to go in. I will cry tears of joy to see that he finally accepted the Lord. I will rejoice as the angels do whenever someone accepts the grace. Of course, I will do my rejoicing in the here and now if he ever tells me that he has accepted it, before either of us makes it to heaven.
The only way beanie is going to be in heaven is if he accepts God's grace. If I get to heaven and see him in there, I will not refuse to go in. I will cry tears of joy to see that he finally accepted the Lord. I will rejoice as the angels do whenever someone accepts the grace. Of course, I will do my rejoicing in the here and now if he ever tells me that he has accepted it, before either of us makes it to heaven.
Greetings lighthouse
Yeah, GOD'S ETERNAL LOVE IS SOOOOO GOOOODDDDD that it is COMPLETELY AND FOREVER WORTHLESS unless YOU activate it.
and if YOU do not ACTIVATE God's Eternal Love which is so perfect in every way....
Then Eternally Perfect God Love is OBLIGATED to set aside every attribute and BURN THESE PEOPLE IN TORTURE FORVER.
This is the best your mind and heart has to offer from God's Word???
Any child could do MUCH BETTER!
What you present is THE BEST THAT TODAY'S so called "christianity" has to offer...
and it is AS NOTHING...
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Yeah, GOD'S ETERNAL LOVE IS SOOOOO GOOOODDDDD that it is COMPLETELY AND FOREVER WORTHLESS unless YOU activate it.
and if YOU do not ACTIVATE God's Eternal Love which is so perfect in every way....
Then Eternally Perfect God Love is OBLIGATED to set aside every attribute and BURN THESE PEOPLE IN TORTURE FORVER.
This is the best your mind and heart has to offer from God's Word???
Any child could do MUCH BETTER!
What you present is THE BEST THAT TODAY'S so called "christianity" has to offer...
and it is AS NOTHING...
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If I see beanieboy when I get to heaven I'll be jumping up and down and elated because I'll know that there was a point and time that he Must have repented from his sins, humbled himself and accepted Christ. Otherwise he wouldn't be there.
In the words of Colin Quinn:
“What's your last name? Donovan? Stupid, you're Irish Catholic. The reason you're Irish Catholic is because we're the only ones who really believe in that s**t. Ya know the great thing about being Irish Catholic? Hell. All those guys you don't like, they go to Hell. And ya know what Hell feels like? It hurts. It really hurts. I'll bet you like it. That's why I like it.”
“What's your last name? Donovan? Stupid, you're Irish Catholic. The reason you're Irish Catholic is because we're the only ones who really believe in that s**t. Ya know the great thing about being Irish Catholic? Hell. All those guys you don't like, they go to Hell. And ya know what Hell feels like? It hurts. It really hurts. I'll bet you like it. That's why I like it.”
Nineveh
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No, I suggested those passages because of your statement: "I'm not trying to take sides."
It's your reasoning I disagree with.
Not harsh to anonymous strangers? The woman at the well didn't seem to know Jesus, yet he all but called her a slut, didn't He? I don't think the Bible indicates anything other than brothers (in Christ) and neighbors. Who do you consider "too anonymous" to share the Gospel with?
No, that's what I meant. Using the excuse that Jesus wasn't always harsh doesn't let folks off the hook from standing against sin.
Because I see this:
You are judging a Christian who is judging a sinner. Poly is saved, beanieboy is not. If your intent is to edify or correct Poly's witness perhaps you should speak to her privetly other than derail the witness to the lost one on this thread.
gloat: ... often malicious, pleasure or self-satisfaction ...
Malicious? Malice: desire to cause pain, injury, or distress to another. Poly is this way concerning beanieboy? I tend to think she wants him out of the "malicious" deathstyle of homoism.
"Self satisfaction"? God will be satisfying His own standard of Justice when the unrepentant are sent to hell.
We can play the word game if you want, but I truly believe you misunderstand Poly's intentions toward beanieboy.
If I'm not mistaken she was refering to the joy we will have when evil is finally put away after the Judgement. If she were, in her heart, as you claim her to be, she would be on this thread trying to thwart any witness to beanieboy. Those are the people who are taking self pleasure in the misfortune of the unrepentant.
I tend to believe she would be singing praises to God right along with the angels who were rejoicing. But before we can get that far, beanieboy needs to know what God thinks of him today.
How about judging the Christian for judging a sinner? I tend to think this most certaining tolerates the unrepentant sinner in favor of preaching to the chior.
I find it odd... I don't get offended for being called a "hetero", perhaps the perversion itself is the offensive thing. But just for you, I'll use the term sodomite, is that better?
Sodomy is repulsive, the act is akin to a "pile of vomit". I'm sorry you missed the point.
Why are you trying to get the focus off the unrepentant sodomite by even bringing this into the convo?
So in your book, anything is ok, as long as they are unrepentant. Your judgement is only reserved for Christian witnesses you don't approve of.
He is dead already, at least Poly is trying to warn him of that fact. Have you bothered yet?
Right, they did the easy things like "go to church" and "tithe", but they didn't know God in their heart, they kept those away from God who aught be drawn near, like the lame and blind. They went by their own standard of righteousness, not God's.
The merely judgemental Christian takes issue with the Christian witness, a Christian who judges rightly take issue with unrepentance. I see more Pharisee in those that stand in front of the Law shaking their fingers at folks who desire to bring the unrepentant out from under the Law.
Isn't there a saying... don't judge by outward appearance?
No one is stopping you from witnessing to beanieboy in the way you are called, except you (if you haven't).
Even better, you are leaving beanieboy in death, while showing him it's ok to judge those who judge him. Judging rightly would go further toward your goal.
He is dead. He partakes of a deathstyle that is abusive. Unless you have started speaking to him about his sin recently, I've missed your witness on this thread. Beanieboy doesn't know he is sinning in the eyes of God. If he doesn't know that, why does he need a Savior? I don't agree beanieboy knows the first thing about the Gospel.
I tend to think what you are saying in this back and forth to be even more ominous. "Speak nothing but kindness to sodomites, that will convict them of their sin." Let me know if it works for you, so far, I have never witnessed a sodomite being convicted by niceness. But I have witnessed harshness convicting sin.
Ok, so stand up for beanieboy getting out of sodomy. Let him know his life is an abomination and his works are dirty rags in God's eyes.
About all I've seen so far fom Chileice is what I have read from you and a couple others. If you both have brought beanieboy the Law so he can see he needs a Savior, I have no complaint against either of your witnesses.
And I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. "Nice" has homos in the pulpit. Again, I haven't seen much of an example of "how" from the "judge-not crowd".
Nineveh
Merely Christian
Again... the judge notters worried over words instead of actions...
Do you have something you want to focus on and discuss or are you just meandering around in this discussion?
Sodomy is the apparent topic of this thread, so, if you feel compelled to preach about another of those on the list, TOL has plenty of room for new threads
Ninevah, you should use your FINGER to LIFT beanieboys burden rather than CONDEMN HIM TO DEATH by ETERNAL FIRE.
You and Poly and Sibbie and AIM meal exemplify what Jesus said HERE:
Matthew 23
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Here is what THE HEAD taught:
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
This is what you CHIEF PHARISEES do:
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Jesus had THE UTTMOST CONTEMPT for people who are JUST LIKE YOU!
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You and Poly and Sibbie and AIM meal exemplify what Jesus said HERE:
Matthew 23
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Here is what THE HEAD taught:
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
This is what you CHIEF PHARISEES do:
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Jesus had THE UTTMOST CONTEMPT for people who are JUST LIKE YOU!
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Nineveh
Merely Christian
smaller,
Have you once confronted beanieboy on his deathstyle? Or do you want to show your love to him by sending flowers to his early funeral? Why is it you won't even address one post toward the sodomite who's deathstyle is going to cause him disease and early death? I don't want to practice your flavor of worldly tolerant love, it harmed me for too many years, I refuse to be a party to it again.
Have you once confronted beanieboy on his deathstyle? Or do you want to show your love to him by sending flowers to his early funeral? Why is it you won't even address one post toward the sodomite who's deathstyle is going to cause him disease and early death? I don't want to practice your flavor of worldly tolerant love, it harmed me for too many years, I refuse to be a party to it again.