Marijuana legalization: LESS government?

aCultureWarrior

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I can do better than that gc.

Toke away and do your own study and get back to us on the results.

I don't even partake in caffeine so a private, sample size of one, study is a no go.

But I am not a person who thinks that everything I disapprove of should be illegal. I think that grownups ought to be able to make grownup decisions about how they live their lives with minimal interference from governments and their overzealous law enforcement patsies. Thankfully, not everyone thinks like you do.

Ahn yes...another marijuana pusher who doesn't use it himself.

Boy, for such a harmless drug, those that want marijuana legalization don't want anything to do with it.

Thanks for your participation in the thread.
 

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That being said: I rest my case. Even though it's pointed out that children were being exposed to 2nd hand dope smoke, which could give them a negative reaction by making them hiiiiigh, Sandy still defends marijuana.

No more than I defend cancer sticks and alcohol. However, it's your lie so you are free to tell it as you wish.

It's odd that you didn't mention that the 2nd hand marijuana smoke could have not only made these children hiiiiigh, but caused one of the 400,000-1 million children afflicted with this lung disorder in America to have an asthma attack.
http://www.lung.org/lung-disease/asthma/resources/facts-and-figures/asthma-children-fact-sheet.html

No need to ... you are the one who is making up excuses for those who spread their second hand toxins.

Are you a marijuana user Sandy?

Answered. Are you literate or do you find your satisfaction in life by lying about the actions, words and POV's of others?

Thank you for your participation in the thread Sandy. Would you quietly close the door on your way out?

Oh. I didn't realize you are leaving this monumentally, thought-provoking thread so early.
 

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Every pothead I have ever seen looks and talks like a moron.
 
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Ahn yes...another marijuana pusher who doesn't use it himself.

That you don't know what a pusher is speaks volumes. :up:

Boy, for such a harmless drug, those that want marijuana legalization don't want anything to do with it.

Again, would you ban anything that is done for pleasure that carries a risk of harm? Horse riding is as dangerous marijuana. Would you ban that for the injuries it causes to children and others? Or rock climbing? Hang gliding? Motorcycling?

I don't do any of these things, but I don't feel the need to legislate against them to protect people against their wishes.

So, what else would you ban, for consistency?
 

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Dope is for dopes. A cliché I know, but very true.
Every pothead I have even seen looks and talks like a moron.

I disagree. At least one pothead that I knew graduated with a BA in philosophy in my graduating class, had very good grades, and I thought he was fairly intelligent. Probably more intelligent than you are (no offense).
 

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I disagree. At least one pothead that I knew graduated with a BA in philosophy in my graduating class, had very good grades, and I thought he was fairly intelligent......

I said that every pothead I have ever seen looks and talks like a moron. That's my experience.


.......Probably more intelligent than you are (no offense).
I doubt that. Don't let my snarky posts and occasional insults fool you. I just go with the flow in this forum.
 

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Ahn yes...another marijuana pusher who doesn't use it himself.

That you don't know what a pusher is speaks volumes.

In this case someone who through legislation, promotes the recreational use of marijuana.


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Boy, for such a harmless drug, those that want marijuana legalization don't want anything to do with it.

Again, would you ban anything that is done for pleasure that carries a risk of harm? Horse riding is as dangerous marijuana. Would you ban that for the injuries it causes to children and others? Or rock climbing? Hang gliding? Motorcycling?

Or drinking too much water.

I don't do any of these things, but I don't feel the need to legislate against them to protect people against their wishes.

Terrible analogies. You need to get out into the world and experience the drug culture. Obviously you haven't or you wouldn't be comparing smoking dope with horseback riding.

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So, what else would you ban, for consistency?

Actually the burden is on you my friend. Since marijuana has been illegal up until recently in all states but two (and for good reasons) what else would you legalize that is currently illegal?
 

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DEA operations chief decries legalization of marijuana at state level

The chief of operations at the Drug Enforcement Administration on Wednesday called the legalization of marijuana at the state level “reckless and irresponsible,” warning that the movement to decriminalize the sale of pot in the United States will have severe consequences.

“It scares us,” James L. Capra said, responding to a question from a senator during a hearing focused on drug cultivation in Afghanistan. “Every part of the world where this has been tried, it has failed time and time again.”

Capra’s comments marked the DEA’s most public and pointed criticism of the movement toward decriminalization in several states, where local officials see it as an opportunity to generate tax revenue and boost tourism.

The Justice Department decided last summer it would not challenge state laws passed in Colorado and Washington after voters supported proposals to decriminalize the sale of marijuana for recreational use. The sale and use of marijuana remains unlawful under federal law, but the Obama administration has indicated that it will not prosecute ordinary recreational users in states where consumption is legal.

Sales began in Colorado this month and will soon start in Washington. Officials in several other states are contemplating similar changes to their laws.

Capra said agents have watched the early days of legal marijuana sales in Colorado with dismay.

“There are more dispensaries in Denver than there are Starbucks,” he said. “The idea somehow people in our country have that this is somehow good for us as a nation is wrong. It’s a bad thing.”...

Read more:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...af548a-7e38-11e3-9556-4a4bf7bcbd84_story.html

We need a good dope pushing Libertarian to come forward and tell us that the Operations Chief of the DEA doesn't know what he's talking about. I see that Wizard of Oz, aka Aaron is online.
 

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:think: Hmmm....It appears that not everyone in the DEA shares Mr. Capra's concerns.

High-ranked DEA agent quits job to work for legal marijuana industry.

"A lot of people say, 'How could you be so against it Monday and then on Tuesday you are all for it?" Schmidt said to Oregon Live recently.

"It was the least of the evils," he said. "If you go to the newer law enforcement – somewhere 45 years and younger – and you talk to them about cannabis, they are just like, 'Man, why isn't it legal? I have got other things to do.'"


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:think: Hmmm....It appears that not everyone in the DEA shares Mr. Capra's concerns.

High-ranked DEA agent quits job to work for legal marijuana industry.

"A lot of people say, 'How could you be so against it Monday and then on Tuesday you are all for it?" Schmidt said to Oregon Live recently.

"It was the least of the evils," he said. "If you go to the newer law enforcement – somewhere 45 years and younger – and you talk to them about cannabis, they are just like, 'Man, why isn't it legal? I have got other things to do.'"


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(Who would have thought that drug pushers make better money than law enforcement officers?)

There are several in law enforcement who want drugs legalized. There's a word for those type:

"Lazy".
 

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Well bammy was an avid pot head:

President Obama says marijuana use is no more dangerous than alcohol, though he regards it as a bad habit he hopes his children will avoid.

"As has been well documented, I smoked pot as a kid, and I view it as a bad habit and a vice, not very different from the cigarettes that I smoked as a young person up through a big chunk of my adult life,'' he said in a magazine interview. "I don't think it is more dangerous than alcohol."

He said marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol "in terms of its impact on the individual consumer.''
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/01/19/obama-marijuana-not-so-bad/4649883/

On the two states that have legalized pot, Obama said that “it’s important for it to go forward because it’s important for society not to have a situation in which a large portion of people have at one time or another broken the law and only a select few get punished.”

His reasoning: “Middle-class kids don’t get locked up for smoking pot, and poor kids do … And African-American kids and Latino kids are more likely to be poor and less likely to have the resources and the support to avoid unduly harsh penalties.”

Read more: Obama on Marijuana Legalization: 'It's Important for It to Go Forward' | TIME.com http://swampland.time.com/2014/01/1...important-for-it-to-go-forward/#ixzz2qzl2sYvp

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Has the legalization of weed freed up resources in these two states to fight internet child porn and sexual predators?

Hawaii has 7000 plus cases of child porn observers. Two field officers and one computer investigator. This means that our law enforcement only has the ability to track the worst offenders while 95% are monsters hiding in broad daylight!




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Has the legalization of weed freed up resources in these two states to fight internet child porn and sexual predators?

Hawaii has 7000 plus cases of child porn observers. Two field officers and one computer investigator. This means that our law enforcement only has the ability to track the worst offenders while 95% are monsters hiding in broad daylight!

The state run dope stores haven't opened in WA State yet. When they do, the state will draw all kinds of moral degenerates, who will undoubtedly bring their other vices along with them.
 

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The state run dope stores haven't opened in WA State yet. When they do, the state will draw all kinds of moral degenerates, who will undoubtedly bring their other vices along with them.


What is worse, child porn or pot use?


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Pitfalls Abound as Legal Pot Sales Begin

Colorado and Washington state are launching the world's first legal recreational marijuana markets in 2014. Though pot has been sold for three decades at coffee shops in the Netherlands, the two states are the first to regulate and allow a full industry.

Being first to allow growing it, processing it and selling it doesn't come without risks. The states face plenty, from a potential crackdown over a drug that's still illegal under federal law to threats to public health.

A look at some of the pitfalls the two states will want to avoid as Big Weed tries to go mainstream:

YOUTH USE: The U.S. Department of Justice has told the states it won't interfere with state marijuana laws as long as they keep the drug away from those without permission to use it. Top of that list: children. Neither state will allow people under 21 to buy pot.

HEALTH: Some doctors warn that increased marijuana use will result in more emergency-room visits. There's not enough data to show if that is happening, though some hospitals have reported spikes in child admissions for pot overdoses. With no Food and Drug Administration oversight, the two states are producing their own product-safety standards to make sure pot is as potent as labeled and doesn't contain harmful molds or other contaminants.

SMUGGLING: The states have also been told they must keep legal pot out of other states and off federal property. That's no small task in Western states with huge swaths of federal property, such as parks and ski areas. The states will allow visitors to buy pot, but also warn them about where they can and can't take it.

CRIME: Legalization opponents say residency requirements won't prevent criminal cartels from setting up straw-man growing operations. The states also have tracking systems to make sure what is grown ends up sold legally. Colorado, however, also allows people to grow pot at home, making it impossible to keep track of where it is coming from and where it's going.

DRIVING: The states set up marijuana analogies to drunk-driving laws, setting driver blood limits for pot's psychoactive chemical, THC. The laws are new, and it's too soon to say whether legal pot has made highways more dangerous in Colorado and Washington. Both states report seeing more positive driving-high tests, but it's not clear whether that's because of increased driver use or increased testing.

TAXES: Nobody knows how and at what level to tax pot. Too low, and the states won't be able to afford intense regulatory supervision of the industry. Too high, and pot users may stay in the black market.

DEMAND: Guessing marijuana demand is a tricky proposition. Colorado growers warn that early demand could lead to sky-high prices and shortages, with state production caps still uncertain. In Washington, regulators are taking a new look at supply needs after a recently released study produced a demand estimate that far outstripped earlier guesses.

BANKING: Marijuana legalization hasn't taken away one black-market aspect for the drug in Colorado and Washington: Cash runs the business. Financial services as simple as checking accounts and credit cards are off-limits because of federal guidance to financial institutions. Colorado officials say they're optimistic the U.S. Treasury Department will loosen those rules next year, but it's unclear what that would look like.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/pitfalls-abound-legal-pot-sales-begin-21361387

And here I thought that you Libertarians were for LESS government.

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The FDA, and so called (lethal) legalized drug cartel, and it's pusher man the Feds won't let it get out of hand. Relax your paper god that secured your privileges will keep an eye on things.

Me I have rights given by the Creator so I will let my conscience be my guide.
 
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