"...ancestral rights" ...the Shelanite-'Jews' who have none,...
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the Ishmaelite/Muslims do indeed have some semblance of a claim, while the Shelanites have utterly none.
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Please recall God utterly slew Shuah’s two eldest of three Canaanite grandsons via Judah r/t Deuteronomy 25:5, 6.
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'I articulated a clear distinction between an Israelite-Jew, and a Shelanite ‘Jew’, with particular reference to Revelation 2:9, 3:9.
The “Shelanites” are a clearly named and identified people (Numbers 26:20).
Almighty God slew Shelah’s two elder Canaanite brothers Er, and Onan (Genesis 38:7, 8, 9, 10).
A great sermon to a Shelanite instigator of the crucifixion!
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Honestly Kayaker.
Don't you think you're obsessing just a wee bit on "
Shelanite"???
I suppose... the Shelanites only instigated the crucifixion, and gave the title "Jew" a really bad name. They stoned Stephen. This might possibly be of casual interest to an Israelite or Ashkenazi Jew, while they and the majority of Christians wander in the dark glossing over these subtle, insignificant points. In His time, the lights will come on (Matthew 24:30 KJV). Honestly, Nazaroo… don’t you think you’re just a wee bit glossing over a fundamental truth?
Here's my problem.
Yes there were Shelanites. I doubt there were very many.
Why would God bless and multiply the wrong branch?
You're telling me there were Shelanites... continue? There were sufficient numbers to fulfill Genesis 3:15 KJV, John 8:44 KJV, Revelation 2:9, 3:9, and will fulfill Revelation 3:10 KJV, btw.
That seems plainly to contradict Jesus' warning about branches.
Another opportunity to provide Scripture… But those vast numbers of Muslims have no OT origin, speaking of branches? Possibly you glossed over John the Baptist’s point in Luke 3:7 KJV, Luke 3:8 KJV, talking to Shelanites: “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire” (Luke 3:8 KJV). JTB was likely quite familiar with the OT, speaking of the ‘trees’ Ezekiel 31:1, 2, Eze 31:3 KJV, Eze 31:5, 6, 7, “of Eden” “in the garden of God.” Maybe JTB just went straight to Genesis…
You've discovered a sub-strain of Judahite called a Shelanite.
No one is really going to argue the point that some Judahites
would have been descendents of Shelah.
This "sub-strain of Judahite called a Shelanite" were documented in the OT. God personally slew Shelah's two elder Canaanite brothers, but that's just an ole OT 'sub-story'… I thought all those subtle ‘sub-mysteries’ in the Bible were already known! LOL! But, I appreciate your glowing recognition, even though I didn’t write It... hang around… who knows, you might glean another pearl or two!
But you go WAY TOO FAR:
You make unreasonable claims, that are not Biblical in spite of the
hand-waving:
I think this is the place where you really should offer scripture to the contrary, Nazaroo. I'm getting another distinct impression that Scriptural references just don't hold a candle to your fire! LOL! Why are you so afraid of the “truth”, Nazaroo?
'The “Shelanites” are a clearly named and identified people'
No. No they are not. Not by Holy Scripture certainly,
since there is no physical description or reliable drawings,
or wall-paintings, or geneaological records now.
Well, you failed to include the corroborating Scripture I provided adjacent to my cut/paste quote... you're not really into that Scriptural sort of thing, are you? Are you being just a wee bit ‘lofty’, maybe? So, jump back on that time machine of yours and take a look at Genesis 38:5, 11, 26, Numbers 26:20, 1Chronicles 2, 3, 4:21, 22... you can find them… you might believe the truth if it was painted on the wall of a cave, LOL! With a little simple deduction, a mustard seed of faith, and a breath of fresh air... the Shelanites mysteriously came into focus again in the NT as the instigators of the crucifixion. John the Baptist knew who they were (Luke 3:7, 8), even Apostle Paul knew who they were (Romans 9:6, 7, 8, 9). But... like I've said, your sentiment is clearly established with the Shelanites thinking they’re Semites. So, what’s the problem, Nazaroo? You’re the one who calls them ‘Jews.’
You seem to want to claim that the very BULK of virtually ALL MODERN JEWS,
are now Shelanites.
You have little respect if any for Mosaic Law. Ezra was a racist. God might have been a bit zealous. Jesus was an anti-Semite... why should I expect you remember the Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and Israelite Jews I've mentioned? You have to expound a dissected quote in an attempt to refute the truth… speaking of can’t see the tree for the branches, LOL! There’s at least one among this audience who hears your tenacious exaggerations as you look for a grain of truth to destroy. Why are you so afraid of the truth, Nazaroo?
All I can say is that this is pure BS.
Well, we finally agree... you've trashed Mosaic Law, utterly circumvented the NT, Ezra's a racist, God has His questionable reasons, and Jesus was an anti-Semite calling your alleged Semite Shelanite buddies, “hypocrites” and the synagogue of Satan. Your sentiment is with those who instigated His crucifixion, stoned Stephen, tortured the disciples (Matthew 23:28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35) so, sure... in your mind, those two letters sadly spell your reality. You are awake and smell the coffee, but I can’t make you drink at the table of your criticism. That’s just not my job.
First of all it CONTRADICTS Holy Scripture, wherein
God Promises Abraham, His chosen line, the literal and VALID descendants,
will be as numerous as the sands of the sea.
So I guess God really mucked up on this one, didn't He?
You already answered your question. And, I already provided Scriptural references to this point that you cunningly failed to address at that appropriate time in your whirlwind. You don’t’ even provide any Scripture, now. But, I do admire the way you used the expression “VALID descendants” of Abraham to circumvent sounding like a racist profiler, ROFLOL! I don’t know about you, Nazaroo…. But, the more I learn, you are in a very precarious situation right about now.
Both O.T. promises, to bless and prosper the obedient descendents,
and N.T. promises, to bless and keep alive those who remain in the Vine,
seem to be thoroughly negated by your claims that
"the Shelamite 'Jews' have overrun Judah and Israel'
and now represent 'the Seed of Cain/Satan' etc.
Your corroborating Scriptural references are truly underwhelming! Then, you’re more of one of those obedient types, a salvation by works kinda guy? Maybe a guilt-laden, boo-hoo voodoo kinda salvation? What have you done, Nazaroo? Jesus illuminated the “Jewish” distinction in Revelation 2:9, 3:9... You might have a bone to pick with Him regarding the hypocrite synagogue of Satan, who call themselves “Jews,” that you’ve acutely found yourself sleeping with. I’ve made it perfectly clear your bedfellows are not Israelite-Jews, and add ‘they’ weren’t Ashkenazi Jews if this wasn’t already obvious. Jesus could doodle a name in the dirt, but He couldn’t speak a name in condemnation (John 8:4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 15 KJV)… so, take another glance at John 8:44 KJV, and fill in the pronouns… while considering John 8:45, 46, 47. You obviously didn’t know who the Shelanites were in the OT, or their significance in the NT. Don’t feel so alone. Sorta creates a rather significant salvation paradigm shift… don’t you agree? Don’t like where you’re standing? Why should you expect me to think you have any concept of who the Shelanites are today? Has Ancestry.com taken yours back to before Noah’s day? The tsunami from that flood hasn’t hit the shores yet.
No one doubts there are fake "Jews", both religiously and racially.
Who cares?
Seriously? Jesus cared in Revelation 2:9, 3:9, Rev 3:10… what do you think made His sheep lost? A flask of Noah’s finest, a brace of Moabite hotties, and a surfboard? ROFLOL! Surely His sheep weren’t lost following your Shelanite sleeping buddies twisting Mosaic Law that you have little if any regard for, anyway… as they twisted Mosaic Law that Jesus was an impostor not being of Shelanite heritage (John 8:41 KJV): Descendants of Judah, the prophesied progenitor of Messiah. That’s a rather slam-dunk, glaringly obvious ‘connect the dots’… can’t imagine? You’ve found you’ve been sleeping with the enemy, so please forgive me for waking you up sleep-walking naked in the cafeteria, LOL!
There are lots of fake Christians and fake Muslims and Buddhists too.
There are fake "whites" and fake "Blacks" and fake everything.
Like you said… all BS. Your sad reality... might try a little truth serum.
YOU have FAILED to identify who the Ishmaelites are,
you have FAILED to identify who the "Shelanites" are.
I’ve provided at least one or two blue-highlighted Scriptural references in my posts. Where you’ve failed is to provide a single Scripture to the contrary. I mean… where are you… surfing a tsunami? Who even needs the NT? BTDT, but… it appears as though you might have glossed over a benign point or two ‘saving’ the ‘Jews’ and found yourself sleeping with the enemy in a king-size tent, LOL!
You have failed to show any reason why we should even care which "Jews" are Shelanites, and which aren't,
I think at least one in this audience has a complete understanding of my Scripturally corroborated position. You’ve just been caught with your knickers in a unique disposition. And, I have a strong suspicion you refuse to admit even the glaringly obvious, because the truth sorta flicked the lights on.
SINCE NO ONE can produce a lineage, or geneological record, or anything else
that would convince anyone else of either their descendency
or their "tribal purity".
Now YOUR’re are saying ALL Jews are hypocrites… are you sure you aren’t a racist profiler? LOL! The Shelanites are hypocrites, but you threw the Ashkenazi and Israelite Jews out with the bathwater! You do crack me up Nazaroo…
Remember, that was only necessary up to the time of Jesus, the Messiah.
I’m glad you reminded me that I already told you this. At least you remembered one contiguous point from my posts… even if you can’t remember I already said it, ROFLOL! But, on a sober note… Jesus actually fulfilled that “up to the time” momentous generation. I might suggest you consider Jesus’ arrival generation was prophesied in Genesis 4:24 KJV, “seventy and sevenfold” generations from God, inclusively. Might try counting with God is generation #1, Adam generation #2, Seth #3… from Luke 3:38-23. Another little discovery that sort of escaped the multitudes for the last six thousand years. I’m sure that’s just another one of those ‘sub-prophecies’ the ‘Jews’ call an “undesignated coincidence” with Genesis 4:15 KJV.
PS, I totally cracked up with your humorous post… thanks,
kayaker
