Jesus Has ALREADY Reconciled Us and the World to God. No Religion Was Needed

Nanja

Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Again according to Rom 5:10 how were they reconciled to God? Are you scared to answer ?
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They were reconciled by the Death of God's Son for them.

But the rest of the world God created for His Purpose to damn them.

So, He created some men to be condemned for their sins Rom. 9:22, and others to be Saved from their sins. Rom. 9:23; Mat. 1:21.
 
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Bard_the_Bowman

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Robert Pate said:
A system of faith and worship is religion. We are to worship God in Spirit and in truth. No system needed.
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So in Christianity, the way to worship God is in Spirit and Truth. That is a system of worship, Robert.

Funk and Wagnalls says system means "method".

So in Christianity, the system (or method) of worship of God is in Spirit and Truth.

So Christianity is a religion.

If it isn't....what do you think it is? You still haven't told me that.

Peace.
 
beloved57

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Nanja
They were reconciled by the Death of God's Son for them.
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Exactly! But pate will not acknowledge that.

But the rest of the world God created for His Purpose to damn them.

So, He created some men to be condemned for their sins Rom. 9:22, and others to be Saved from their sins. Rom. 9:23; Mat. 1:21.
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Exactly!
 
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Robert Pate

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Bard_the_Bowman said:
So in Christianity, the way to worship God is in Spirit and Truth. That is a system of worship, Robert.

Funk and Wagnalls says system means "method".

So in Christianity, the system (or method) of worship of God is in Spirit and Truth.

So Christianity is a religion.

If it isn't....what do you think it is? You still haven't told me that.

Peace.
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Spirit and truth is not a system of worship.

If you have to have a system to worship, then you are practicing religion.
 
Nanja

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Nonon said:
The hole in your argument is that all people are Gods enemies
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But a Limited portion of humanity were reconciled to God while enemies Rom. 5:10; 9:27.

But the rest of the world were already condemned and under God's wrath before they do anything.

That's why they shall never believe on Christ, because they were already condemned!


John 3:18,36
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


You see, some were reconciled while enemies and unbelievers Rom. 5:10,
and some were already condemned.

They were not of the Sheep Christ Jesus gave His Life for John 10:11, 15!

But they are the cursed goats which shall go into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels Mat. 25:41!
 
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Nanja said:
They were reconciled by the Death of God's Son for them.

But the rest of the world God created for His Purpose to damn them.

So, He created some men to be condemned for their sins Rom. 9:22, and others to be Saved from their sins. Rom. 9:23; Mat. 1:21.
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You poor lost soul. Don't you know that if you blasphemy God by saying that he creates life for the purpose of sending people to hell, that you have committed the unpardonable sin?

Not only have you blasphemed God you have also blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

Romans 9:22 says "What if" It is NOT something that God does. Your continual blasphemy of God, his Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, will earn you a first class ticket to hell.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
You poor lost soul. Don't you know that if you blasphemy God by saying that he creates life for the purpose of sending people to hell, that you have committed the unpardonable sin?

Not only have you blasphemed God you have also blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

Romans 9:22 says "What if" It is NOT something that God does. Your continual blasphemy of God, his Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, will earn you a first class ticket to hell.
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You deny that Christ death alone saved them He died for. How were enemies reconciled to God according to Rom 5:10?
 
Nanja

Nanja

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Robert Pate said:
You poor lost soul. Don't you know that if you blasphemy God by saying that he creates life for the purpose of sending people to hell, that you have committed the unpardonable sin?

Not only have you blasphemed God you have also blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

Romans 9:22 says "What if" It is NOT something that God does. Your continual blasphemy of God, his Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, will earn you a first class ticket to hell.
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Pate is trusting in a false god of his own freewill.

But the God of the Bible the Saints know and worship does with His Creation according to His Will!


Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Ps. 115:3
But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
 
beloved57

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Nanja said:
Pate is trusting in a false god of his own freewill.

But the God of the Bible the Saints know and worship does with His Creation according to His Will!


Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Ps. 115:3
But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
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Amen Sister!
 
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Nanja said:
Pate is trusting in a false god of his own freewill.

But the God of the Bible the Saints know and worship does with His Creation according to His Will!


Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Ps. 115:3
But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
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Where does it say that Adam lost his free will in the fall?

Adam did not lose his free will, what he lost was his relationship with God.

God is not free to do as he pleases. He is bound by his holy, just, merciful, righteous, character and nature. God cannot and will not sin against himself, nor will he sin against his created beings. All that God does is right, just and proper. This is why you are wrong about God and his Son Jesus Christ. But you will not find that out until you go into the judgment.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
Where does it say that Adam lost his free will in the fall?

Adam did not lose his free will, what he lost was his relationship with God.

God is not free to do as he pleases. He is bound by his holy, just, merciful, righteous, character and nature. God cannot and will not sin against himself, nor will he sin against his created beings. All that God does is right, just and proper. This is why you are wrong about God and his Son Jesus Christ. But you will not find that out until you go into the judgment.
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How were Gods enemies reconciled to Him according to Rom 5:10 ?
 
Nanja

Nanja

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Robert Pate said:
God is not free to do as he pleases.
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The Word of God refutes you.

Yet, you persist in glorifying the freewill of man, the created thing, over the Absolute Supreme Will of God!

Give God the Glory!


Ps. 115:3
But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

Ps. 135:5-6
For I know that the LORD is great, and that our Lord is above all gods.
Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.

Job 23:13-14
But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.

Is. 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.

Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
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Now how can an inhabitant of the earth be reputed as nothing, have a freewill that overrides the Will of God!


But to the Saints, the Will of God is revealed here:

Eph. 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
 
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