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Is M.A.D. a dangerous heresy? It demands much scripture to be ignored
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SimpleMan77
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If Cornelius would have heard Peter command water baptism, and refused, he would have become "unsaved" in a hurry.
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Sorry, Peter didn't save Cornelius, Christ did and you didn't answer my question.
Question, if i walk the isle at church, and confess Christ and then i am told i will be water baptized the next week - what happens to me if i die before having water applied to wash my sin away?
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I never said anything about Peter saving Cornelius. God saved him, using Peter's preaching. If Cornelius would have decided he didn't believe and didn't need to obey God's word spoken through Peter, Cornelius would have lost his salvation.
Don't see a question, just a bunch of statements. Ask a question and I'll answer it.
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Is M.A.D. a dangerous heresy? It demands much scripture to be ignored
I see your question in the post above. Stand by for an answer.
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I see your question in the post above. Stand by for an answer.
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Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
The final words which they heard whereby they were saved were these:
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
SimpleMan77
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I think all the words Peter spoke by revelation and commandment were words whereby Cornelius could be saved, including the command to be baptized.
Being saved isn't something where a person can relax and say "now I'm saved, I can do whatever feels good to my flesh from here out". It requires obedience, and we become unsaved if we insist on walking in disobedience.
If Cornelius was saved by receiving the Holy Ghost, he had to continue in obedience to stay saved.
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Then prove it.
Paul repeating what Jesus said doesn't support your claim. I'm not partaking in or embracing the Old Covenant by not committing adultery.
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And I answered in that thread.
No kidding.
Since the NKJV puts the quotes around only part of what is in yellow above can you provide some exegesis for me, or if they do so in the link can you send me the link? Please.Since you didn't follow to the link to the actual, factual explanation, I'll post it here:
Acts 19:4-6 (AKJV/PCE)
(19:4) Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. (19:5) When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (19:6) And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
What Paul told THEM is in YELLOW. The THEY in verse 5 refers to "the people" that heard John. What THEY with Paul did that day comes after the AND in verse 6.
You simply cannot hear what scripture says; because your prefer your story.
So the one baptism can't possibly be the baptism John the Baptist said Jesus would provide, as opposed to his baptism with water?
- Can you provide any support for your argument that eternal security doesn't exist?
- If you walk away then you never knew Him and He never knew you.
- Of course that's not the question, as they clearly were since they received the Holy Spirit.
- Do you have an answer to your own question?
- Since when is Peter commanding anyone to do anything? Is he God?
Where is your evidence this man was saved prior to fornicating?
Where is your evidence that he started out saved?
And what did Paul say about those in Christ in 1 Corinthians 6:11? Are they fornicators?
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That is a REALLY far stretch without support. Peter did NOT say that they needed to all be baptized THERE AND NOW. Simply that they needed to be baptized for the remission of sins.
Anyone that was ALREADY baptized would ALREADY fit that model.
Your "interpretation" has lots of silliness including the idea that those already baptized needed to get we again.
The YOU in Acts 2 is "men of Israel". They had a priesthood given by God.
Water baptism was associated with Jesus' earthly ministry and Israel's priesthood. It's not rocket surgery.
Why did Christ's public ministry start when He was thirty years old?
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Water baptism is per the priesthood of Israel. You're distracted from that point.
The body of Christ has one baptism and there is NO water involved.
Eph 4:3-6 (AKJV/PCE)
(4:3) Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. (4:4) [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; (4:5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (4:6) One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
1Cor 12:12-13 (AKJV/PCE)
(12:12) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. (12:13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
We are not a priesthood, not matter how badly you want into it.
In Mark 1:8 John said, "I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
Why couldn't John baptize with the Holy Spirit? Why was he not able to do so?
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That is COMPLETELY irrelevant. WATER baptism is per the priesthood of Israel.
P.S. Just another attempted distraction/diversion... I'm not going to chase your misdirection's.
John could not baptize with the Holy Spirit, only Jesus can.
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"Every one that hears these sayings of mine ( Luke 6:27-48 Matthew 5 through 7 )
and does not put them into practice is like a fool that built his house upon the sand..."
Matthew 7:26-28
"The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us" John 1:14
"whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16 ( John 3:5 )
Context is extremely important, what He wants us to believe, is... what He Said! For He is, the Word!
Therefore if you believe Matthew 7:24-28 and 2 John 1:9
you would therefore put the teachings of the Messiah into practice.
We must be under the renewed covenant; Jeremiah 31:33 and therefore keep Matthew 7:12 and John 15:12
(the summary of the whole Torah) in our minds.
and does not put them into practice is like a fool that built his house upon the sand..."
Matthew 7:26-28
"The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us" John 1:14
"whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16 ( John 3:5 )
Context is extremely important, what He wants us to believe, is... what He Said! For He is, the Word!
Therefore if you believe Matthew 7:24-28 and 2 John 1:9
you would therefore put the teachings of the Messiah into practice.
We must be under the renewed covenant; Jeremiah 31:33 and therefore keep Matthew 7:12 and John 15:12
(the summary of the whole Torah) in our minds.
Actually, it's just another question you can't answer.
John was a Levite and the NT was not yet available.
John did what he was sent to do.
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I could answer it, but I'm not taking the bait.
Yes, and your POINT?
The NT is not currently in action, not matter how much you want it to be.
Paul says that in the BODY, there is ONE baptism.... it's not water.
Paul taught salvation from the Hebrew scriptures.
Your made-up fantasy baptism is not supported by the Hebrew Bible.
Baptism pictures death in a watery grave by immersion, your baptism pictures nothing.
