Indiana Pizza Shop 1st to Publicly Say It Would Deny Same-Sex Service

TracerBullet

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And Dr. Jean Birnbaum was a Progressive Liberal who worked at a Progressive Liberal University (my daughter went to Penn. I know first hand)

What next, are you going to deny the link between homosexual males and AIDS?
the point was that there is no link between gay men and pedophilia.

Your wish that there was such a link doesn't change the fact that there is not such a link and that research shows there is no such link.

[/quote]From the CDC (a government website):

"In the United States, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) are disproportionately affected by HIV. Gay and bisexual men represent approximately 2% of the US population, but accounted for three-fourths of all estimated new HIV infections"

Funny how Progressive Libs like Michael Bloomberg want to make Big Gulps illegal because of the burden on the health care system, but Progressive Lib's don't say a peep about how male homosexuals are a burden on the health care system with AIDS.[/QUOTE]

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that same website will also show that HIV/AIDS dis-proportionally affects people of African decent. Does the fact that worldwide 95% of all known cases of HIV/AIDS are blacks justify racism?
 

Stripe

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Unless you can show scientific proof to the contrary, it is a choice.

It's a choice by definition of what we would argue against. Moron's like no-brain think the opposition is to a feeling people get. It's not. The Bible says that sex between men is punishable by death. Having sex is a choice people make. Asking for evidence that it is a choice is just inviting more nonsense.
 

TracerBullet

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They don't want equality. They want self righteous superiority.
you just described people who want the special right to refuse to serve members of a minority.
Whether having homosexual feelings is a choice or not, everyone has the choice on what to do with their immoral feelings.

and the pizza shop owners chose to act on their immoral feelings
 

TracerBullet

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How do you explain "former homosexuals"?

Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York City is married to a "former" Lesbian.

How did Mrs. de Blasio go from being a homosexual to a heterosexual?

Did Mrs. de Blasio make a decision to go from homosexual to heterosexual, or did she have some sort of surgery to remove her "gay gene"?

when did Mrs de Blasio ever say she was homosexual?
 

lovemeorhateme

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How is it a choice? I'm straight so it isn't. Flat out no. I wish one of you lot who espouse this 'choice' stuff could actually explain in concise detail how it's apparently possible for heterosexual folk to make some volitional decision to start liking their own gender because frankly, it's just absurd else.

I've stated many times that it's not necessarily a choice to have homosexual feelings, though I believe for some people it is. The irony of course is that gay rights activists in the 1970s and 1980s argued that a choice was just what it is. It's only in recent times the 'born this way' argument has come to the forefront of the gay rights movement.

To quote lesbian activist and self-declared pagan Camille Paglia:
"Lesbianism is increasing, since anxious unmasculine men have little to offer. Male homosexuality is increasing, because masculinity is in crisis... Current gay cant insists that homosexuality is 'not a choice,' ... but there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise. It takes an effort to deal with the opposite sex; it's safer with your own kind. The issue is one of challenge versus comfort."

Source: http://www.ldolphin.org/lesbian.html
 

TracerBullet

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Unless you can show scientific proof to the contrary it is a choice, I can however show scientifically that heterosexuality is the natural, normal function of the human body...what is absurd is trying to make excuses for a life choice which neither normal or natural.
Unless you can show scientific proof to the contrary it is inborn.
 

lovemeorhateme

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you just described people who want the special right to refuse to serve members of a minority.

Would you support the right of a homosexual baker to refuse to bake a cake saying 'Support traditional marriage - 1 man + 1 woman for life'?

and the pizza shop owners chose to act on their immoral feelings

There is nothing immoral about not wanted to support someone's sexual lifestyle. As the scripture says, 'Woe unto you who call evil good and good evil'. Isaiah 5:20
 

OCTOBER23

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Looks like Indiana does not want him anymore.

Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there
I wish I had you to talk to

If a man ever needed dying, he did
No one had a right to say, what he said about you
And it's so cold and lonely here without you
Out there, the law is coming, I've been so tired of running

Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there
Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there
I wish I had you to talk to

R. Dean Taylor - Indiana Wants Me
 

TracerBullet

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Would you support the right of a homosexual baker to refuse to bake a cake saying 'Support traditional marriage - 1 man + 1 woman for life'?
is the person wanting the cake a minority?


There is nothing immoral about not wanted to support someone's sexual lifestyle. As the scripture says, 'Woe unto you who call evil good and good evil'. Isaiah 5:20

discrimination is always immoral. Hiding hate behind religion is especially so
 

lovemeorhateme

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is the person wanting the cake a minority?

What difference does it make? Either you support equality or you don't. That means different groups in the same situation should be treated equally, right?

I ask you again, do you support the right of a gay baker to refuse to bake a cake with the slogan 'support traditional marriage - 1 man + 1 woman for life'? It requires a simple yes or no answer, not another question.

discrimination is always immoral. Hiding hate behind religion is especially so

If that is true, then does gays discriminating against Christians while hiding behind their sexuality receive the same disdain from you?
 

TracerBullet

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It is up to the one making the assertion to the positive to provide the proof. You are making the assertion that people are born homosexual, so prove it.

I'm not the one who made the assertion.

people can chose to be homosexuals
It is a choice you have made plain & simple
what is absurd is trying to make excuses for a life choice
It's a choice


will you now demand that the people making the assertion it is a choice prove it?

I doubt it


Hint: You can't.
No one can "prove" that bacteria causes illness they can just provide evidnece
 

TracerBullet

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What difference does it make? Either you support equality or you don't. That means different groups in the same situation should be treated equally, right?
if you want it to be the same situation then the person wanting the cake would be a minority

I ask you again, do you support the right of a gay baker to refuse to bake a cake with the slogan 'support traditional marriage - 1 man + 1 woman for life'? It requires a simple yes or no answer, not another question.
Do you support the right of a white baker to refuse to bake a cake for the wedding of an interracial couple?


If that is true, then does gays discriminating against Christians while hiding behind their sexuality receive the same disdain from you?
Gays are fighting to keep Christians from having equal rights?
 

Stripe

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will you now demand that the people making the assertion it is a choice prove it?

Homo-lovers hate reading.

Homosexuality is a choice by definition of what Christians argue is a sin. Moron's like no-brain think that our opposition is to a feeling people get. It's not. The Bible says that sex between men is punishable by death. Having sex is a choice people make. Asking for evidence that it is a choice is just inviting more nonsense.

By definition, the thing that we argue is wrong is an act people choose to engage in. You cannot be convicted of something that you did not choose to do. You cannot be convicted for a feeling.
 
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Lighthouse

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How would it be showing support? You've been hired to provide food, not endorse the event. Do you think bringing pizza to a an unmarried couple living together is showing support for their living arrangement?

Do you think Paul only made tents for Christians? Did Jesus only feed the righteous when He fed the 5000?
Because the event is a celebration of homosexuality.:doh:

That was a really stupid question.

As for bringing pizza to an unmarried couple it really depends on the circumstances and the reason. If you actually care to have a real discussion then you're going to have to elaborate.

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This sign?
I'm not that old. Maybe you should pay attention.

The FRC is home to some of the most blatant lies about gays and lesbians around and this is one of them.

When you see claims like this the first thing you need to ask is how did they identify which perpetrator was homosexual and which were heterosexual. Very often they will try to tell you that who is who is obvious. Please understand when someone is saying something like that it is to cover up the fact that the sexual orientation of the perpetrator of child sexual assault just has not been identified. They don’t question what is the actual sexual orientation of the molesters, they tell the them what sexual orientation they must be.

The only way to legitimately claim anything about the sexual orientation of a child molester is to ask him. And yes real researchers have done exactly that.

Dr. Carole Jenny was the director of the Child Advocacy and Protection Team at Denver's Childrens Hospital, and she also directed medical programs at the C. Henry Kempe National Center for the Prevention and Treatment of Child Abuse and Neglect. Dr. Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 269 medical records of Denver-area children who were sexually abused by adults. Of 50 male children, 37 (74%) were molested by men who had been in a heterosexual relationship with the child’s relative. Three were molested by women, five were molested by both parents, and three others were molested by non-relatives. Only one perpetrator could be identified as being possibly homosexual in his adult behavior Jenny, Carole; Roesler, Thomas A.; Poyer, Kimberly L. “Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals?” Pediatrics
This means that the percentage of homosexual child molesters is 0.4%

In 1998, he and Dr. Jean Birnbaum published a study of 175 convicted male child molesters in which they found:
The child offender is a relatively young adult either who has been sexually attracted to underage persons almost exclusively in his life or who turns to a child as a result of stresses in his adult sexual or marital relationships. Those offenders who are sexually attracted exclusively to children show a slight preference for boys over girls, yet these same individuals are uninterested in adult homosexual relationships. In fact, they frequently express a strong sexual aversion to adult males. Groth, A. Nicholas; Birnbaum, H Jean. “Adult sexual orientation and attraction to underage persons.” Archives of Sexual Behavior

In over 12 years of clinical experience working with child molesters, we have yet to see any example of an adult homosexual orientation. Groth, A. Nicholas; Hobson, William F.; Gary, Thomas S. “The child molester: clinical observations.” In Social Work and Child Sexual Abuse.
These people worked for years with child molesters and they couldn’t identify one adult gay man who was a molester

Dr. Kurt Freund and his associates at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry skipped asking the molesters what their sexual orientation was and directly studied the sexual response of child molesters to viewing pictures of nude men, women and children.
“These studies show that only rarely are sex offenders against male children diagnosed as androphiles [homosexual in adult orientation] and that phallometric diagnosis of gynophilic [heterosexual in adult orientation] and androphilic volunteers almost always corresponds to their claimed erotic preference.” Freund, Kurt; Watson, Robin J.; Rienzo, Douglas. “Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and the erotic age preference.” Journal of Sex Research

A 1998 article in the Journal of the American Medical Association notes one study that found: “98 percent of pedophiles are heterosexual men.” Holmes, W.C. and Slap, G.B. (1998). Sexual abuse of boys: Definition, prevalence, correlates, sequelae and management. Journal of the American Medical Association

Child molestation is a crime of opportunity not of gender. Those men who molest (and yes it is almost exclusively men who do the molesting) will sexually abuse a child that is available to them without regard to the gender of the child. If it is a boy who is available then it is a boy that perpetrator will sexually assault. If that child is a girl then likewise that is who t perpetrator will assault. Child molesters rarely have a preferred victim gender.

A second fact of child sexual abuse is that in 89% of cases of child sexual abuse the victim of child molestation is abused by his/her father, step-father, grandfather or his/her mother’s romantic/sexual partner.
Child molesters are not straight, or gay, regardless of what they claim.

And the comparison that actually matters made in this thread was not one in which it was stated that child molesters are homosexuals, but rather that to act upon inclination is a choice.

It has been answered you have just never been honest enough to admit that.
Where?
 

kmoney

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How would it be showing support? You've been hired to provide food, not endorse the event. Do you think bringing pizza to a an unmarried couple living together is showing support for their living arrangement?

Do you think Paul only made tents for Christians? Did Jesus only feed the righteous when He fed the 5000?

Taking food to an unmarried co-habitating couple isn't really the same thing unless they are having an event to celebrate their relationship and their co-habitation.

However, I am open to the argument that catering a gay wedding isn't necessarily taking part in the celebration of their wedding. For instance, if they'd cater a heterosexual wedding would they see themselves as celebrating that wedding or simply providing a service? If someone photographs a wedding are they necessarily celebrating the event and that relationship? :idunno: Probably not. But a wedding for a gay couple is an obvious instance of something going against their beliefs. It's harder to ignore. And one might feel conflicted about profiting from something they see as sinful, even if their conscience isn't celebrating it. What about catering a holiday party for a porn shop? But it can be lazy or hypocritical to only stand against the things that smack you in the face.

I don't think there is an easy answer either way.
 

Alate_One

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Because the event is a celebration of homosexuality.:doh:
So you think because you supply food for something (for pay) you're supporting the event? Now I would say if you were *donating* the pizzas then yes you're supporting the event.

That was a really stupid question.
No, I think you have a weird notion of "support". Does coca-cola *support* every event where it is sold?

As for bringing pizza to an unmarried couple it really depends on the circumstances and the reason. If you actually care to have a real discussion then you're going to have to elaborate.
Say it's a birthday party for a child produced from an unmarried couple. They have no intention to marry and are very open about that fact.
 
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