ECT How is Paul's message different?

[john w]

To bible believers:the context-the future "Great Trib," when the believing remnant will be "sinless," under the "born again" provisions of the NC, where they will have a "new heart....spirit," and be able to walk in the law,"doeth righteousness," .....And thus, they will be manifest/identified as "the children of God," and not "the children of the devil."

verse 10: In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.






1 John 3:6 KJV 1 John 3:8-10 KJV

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.....He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


1 John 5 KJV

18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


Watch the spin....Members of the boc don't sin!!!!! What the verse really means, is.....It is figurative.....

 

[Jerry Shugart]

To bible believers:the context-the future "Great Trib," when the believing remnant will be "sinless," under the "born again" provisions of the NC, where they will have a "new heart....spirit," and be able to walk in the law,"doeth righteousness," .....And thus, they will be manifest/identified as "the children of God," and not "the children of the devil."

Sonny boy, no one can see, much less enter, the kingdom unless that person is "born again" (Jn.3:3). And those in the Body of Christ will be with the Lord Jesus when He returns to set up the earthly kingdom so all those in the Body will be born again.

 

[john w]

Quickly, without searching the Holy Bible, what is your first thought as to whom this is referring-"in whom is no guile"?

“sinless ability?”

In this "dispensation of the grace of God"(Ephesians 3:2 KJV), God has already declared this race("in Adam"-1 Corinthians 15:22) to be lost("guilty"-Romans 3:19), and that all are sinners(no exceptions-Romans 3:23); that there "is no difference"((Romans 3:22 KJV), that there "is none that are righteous"(Romans 3:10 KJV). We are all "guilty" as charged, in what we do, think, and in what we don't do, and in "missing the mark/falling short of the mark" in how we should think. And we are to shut our big, fat, self righteous mouths, and admit our guilt, as it is written:

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.” Romans 3:19 KJV

But how does this "mesh", "jive" with statements in scripture that seem to imply that it is possible to live a "sinless" life and/or, command(s) to live a sinless life? Could it be that we need to "rightly divide"(2 Tim. 2:15 KJV) this Holy Bible, recognizing the dispensational boundaries? Could this "sinless-ness" be a future promise/expectation in an upcoming dispensation-"…the ages to come…"(Eph. 2:7), or the forthcoming 1000 year reign of the Lord Jesus Christ-the "millennium kingdom"? Could these admonitions not to “sin” be better understood in considering to whom they are addressed, and when, for example, to the Jews in the future “Great Tribulation”, “….the time of Jacob's trouble…”(Jeremiah 30:7 KJV, Genesis 32:7 KJV)?

Perhaps this explains:

"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Mt. 5:48 KJV

John 3 KJV
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you. We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5 KJV
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not


Is 1 John ff to be understood as to be realized in the future?:

“But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.” 1 John 2:20 KJV

Compare with/consistent with:

“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” John 16:13 KJV


Vs. Paul in Romans-Philemon says we must study(numerous verses charging this).

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Columbo: The Case of the Sinless Man on Earth

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Evidence there will be literal "thousand year"(Revelation 20:2- 7 KJV) reign of the Lord Jesus Christ-"... as the days of heaven upon the earth...."(Deuteronomy 11:21)




All Christians should agree that The Lord Jesus Christ was the only man that has ever walked the earth to this point in time(2018) who had no sin: 2 Cor. 5:21; Hebrews 4:15 KJV, Hebrews 7:26 KJV; 1 John 3:5 KJV; Luke 23:4 KJV; John 18:38 KJV, John 19:4-6 KJV. Is this not a "basic doctrine" of Christianity, and a pre-requisite for the Lord Jesus Christ being our kinsman-redeemer? Notice:

"Who did no sin, NEITHER WAS GUILE FOUND IN HIS MOUTH". 1 Peter 2:22 KJV

But notice:

"Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, IN WHOM IS NO GUILE!" John 1:47 KJV

How is this possible-Nathanael is characterized as a man on earth "in whom is no guile"?

The solution:

Part of the definition of a prophet is "one who speaks for another"(for eg., Moses speaking on behalf of the LORD, Aaron speaking for Moses-Exodus 4:12,15("put words in his mouth"),16("thy spokesman"); 7:1; Deuteronomy 18:18("will put my words in his mouth").

The Lord Jesus Christ was a prophet, "the prophet": Deut. 18:15 KJV;Mt. 13:57 KJV, Mt.21:11 KJV;Mk.6:4; Luke 1:76 KJV,Luke 4:24 KJV, Luke 7:16 KJV,Luke 24:19 KJV;John 1:45 KJV, John 4:44 KJV, John 6:14 KJV, John 7:40 KJV, John 9:17 KJV; Acts 2:30 KJV, Acts 3:22-23 KJV, Acts 7:37 KJV. And He, the Lord Jesus Christ “whom God sent hath speaketh the words of God”, spoke only those words which were given him to speak.The definition fits the Lord Jesus Christ's own admission:

“And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.” John 3:32-34 KJV

“Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.” John 7:16 KJV

“Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.” John 7:28 KJV

"Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things." John 8:28 KJV

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."" John . 12:49-50 KJV

"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." John 14:10 KJV

“He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. “ John 14:24 KJV

“Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.” John 15:15 KJV


Thus, the Lord Jesus Christ was fulfilling His role as a/the prophet. He was speaking for His Father in Heaven-the words He spoke were His Father's words, not His(as was true for all the prophets).

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee." John 1:48 KJV

And notice if we "...search out a matter...."(Proverbs 25:2 KJV):

"And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon." 1 Kings 4:25 KJV

" But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it." Micah 4:4 KJV

"In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree." Zech. 3:10 KJV

Thus, in John 1:47 KJV, the Lord Jesus Christ, in the context of his office of "the Prophet", was looking into the future, and providing a glimpse of the ideal conditions that will exist in forthcoming , and promised, millennium kingdom, a time the scripture refers to as the times of "refreshing"(Exodus 31:17 KJV, Isaiah 28:12 KJV, Acts 3:19 KJV), and of the "restitution of all things"(Acts 3:21 KJV). This is the enfolding of the promise that the Lord Jesus Christ shall rule from David's throne(2 Sam. 5 KJV-"the Davidic Covenant"-the covenant which God made with David at the time he revealed to him that Solomon would build the Temple, of which the reign of Solomon pre-figures the millennium reign-a type). Is this not what the Lord had in mind when He states that "...thou shalt see greater things than these...."(John 1:50 KJV)?

This 1000 year reign will be characterized by the righteous reign of the Lord Jesus Christ, and, as J. Dwight Pentecost summarized , a time of peace, joy, comfort, justice, the removal of the curse, no sickness, healing of the deformed, no immaturity, economic prosperity, and holiness. This holiness will be manifested through the King and the King's subjects, the JEWS. This holiness, this trait of Jews("an Israelite"-John 1:47 KJV) having "...no guile", is realization of the promise of the New Covenant, and this is what the Lord Jesus Christ was alluding to in John.

Indeed, the millennium kingdom will be the fruition, the display, and the fulfillment of 3 covenants promised in The Old Testament-the Abrahamic, the Davidic, and the New Covenant. The Lord Jesus Christ was prophesizing partial fulfillment of the New Covenant in John 1:47 KJV. Part of the promise of the New Covenant was that the Jews would be given a new heart, and a new spirit:

"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jeremiah 31:33 KJV

"At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: NEITHER SHALL THEY WALK ANY MORE AFTER THE IMAGINATION OF THEIR EVIL HEART." Jeremiah 3:17 KJV

"Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel. And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: THAT THEY MAY WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND KEEP MINE ORDINANCES, AND DO THEM: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God." Ezekiel 11:17-20 KJV

"For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God." Ezekiel 36:24-28 KJV

"Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely: And they shall be my people, and I will be their God: And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me." Jereimah 32:37-40 KJV

“And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.. “ Jeremiah 31:34

(compare with “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” –Isaiah 11:8 KJV/”For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.”- Hab 2:14 KJV).



This is future, on earth, on land, in the millennium kingdom.


As Columbo would say, "That clears that up!”
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So, in addressing the question:”can one go an entire day without sinning?”, in this dispensation of the grace of God, as outline by Paul in Romans-Philemon, the answer is no, for “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God”-we sin in deed, word, thought, for in our flesh :…dwelleth no good thing…”(Romans 7:18 KJV).

But, it seems that, in the future, this ability will be realized.

“Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!”



If these “…things are true….” that I write, “…think on these things…”(Philippians 4:8 KJV ).

 

[john w]

Sonny boy, no one can see, much less enter, the kingdom unless that person is "born again" (Jn.3:3). And those in the Body of Christ will be with the Lord Jesus when He returns to set up the earthly kingdom so all those in the Body will be born again.

To bible believers: Not all of the scripture is about you, concerns you, is addressed to you, nor are all of the commands to you, and the boc is not Israel, which bible correctors/mystics/agnostics and Replacement Theology proponents assert.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Indeed, the millennium kingdom will be the fruition, the display, and the fulfillment of 3 covenants promised in The Old Testament-the Abrahamic, the Davidic, and the New Covenant.

Yes, and those who belong to the Body of Christ will return with the Lord Jesus when He returns to the earth to set up the millenium kingdom and therefore they will be born again.

I guess that leaves you out, sonny boy.

 

[john w]

Yes, and those who belong to the Body of Christ will return with the Lord Jesus when He returns to the earth to set up the millenium kingdom and therefore they will be born again.

I guess that leaves you out, sonny boy.

Slower, Mr. Peepers: I do not engage in debates with, attempt to persuade,bible correctors/mystics/agnostics- only bible believers.

 

[DAN P]

Yes, and those who belong to the Body of Christ will return with the Lord Jesus when He returns to the earth to set up the millenium kingdom and therefore they will be born again.

I guess that leaves you out, sonny boy.

Hi Jerry and what verse are you using that says and will setup the Millennial Kingdom and where does Paul say we must be born again ??

dan p

 

[Jerry Shugart]

In this "dispensation of the grace of God"(Ephesians 3:2 KJV), God has already declared this race("in Adam"-1 Corinthians 15:22) to be lost("guilty"-Romans 3:19), and that all are sinners(no exceptions-Romans 3:23)

Sonny boy, do you not even understand that John's epistles were written during the time when the present dispensation is in effect?

And do you not even understand that John made it plain that the people who were born of God did sin (1 Jn.1:8-9)?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Hi Jerry and what verse are you using that says and will setup the Millennial Kingdom and where does Paul say we must be born again ??

No one can see the kingdom, much less enter it, unless they are born again (Jn.3:3).

And after those in the Body of Christ meet the Lord Jesus in the air they will ever be with the Lord (1 Thess.4:17).

Therefore, we can understand that when the Lord Jesus returns to set up His earthly kingdom all of the members of the Body of Christ will be with Him. Since no one can enter the kingdom unless they are born again then we know that all the members of the Body of Christ will be born again.

 

[JudgeRightly]

No one can see the kingdom, much less enter it, unless they are born again (Jn.3:3).

And after those in the Body of Christ meet the Lord Jesus in the air they will ever be with the Lord (1 Thess.4:17).

Therefore, we can understand that when the Lord Jesus returns to set up His earthly kingdom all of the members of the Body of Christ will be with Him. Since no one can enter the kingdom unless they are born again then we know that all the members of the Body of Christ will be born again.

Jerry, Jesus was talking about the earthly kingdom He was going to establish within about 7 years of His ascension in that verse. Those who are in the Body of Christ have their treasure laid up in Heaven.

 

[DAN P]

Sonny boy, do you not even understand that John's epistles were written during the time when the present dispensation is in effect?

And do you not even understand that John made it plain that the people who were born of God did sin (1 Jn.1:8-9)?

Hi Jerry and in 1 John 3:9 , John says that Whosoever is born of God DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN , so which one do you believe , Jerry ??

Are you a SINNER or do you believe in SINLESS PERFECTION ??

dan p

 

[john w]

Sonny boy, do you not even understand that John's epistles were written during the time when the present dispensation is in effect?

And do you not even understand that John made it plain that the people who were born of God did sin (1 Jn.1:8-9)?

Slower, Mr. Peepers: I do not engage in debates with, attempt to persuade,bible correctors/mystics/agnostics- only bible believers.

...John made it plain...

Add that debate ender to this clown's repertoire, of"Why do you deny what Paul/the bible says here?....Who should we believe-you, or Paul?....Why don't you believe God/the bible/Paul/John.....?....There can be no doubt whatsoever.....It is clear....It is obvious...You deny what (fill in the blank) says here...."

And the old man wonders why TOL, for the most part, laughs at him, and why he has been banned from scores of theology sites, including www.christianforums.com.

Pathetic old man, not realizing he is the but of jokes, with the above kid stuff.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Jerry, Jesus was talking about the earthly kingdom He was going to establish within about 7 years of His ascension in that verse. Those who are in the Body of Christ have their treasure laid up in Heaven.

Why don't you believe that members of the Body of Christ will be with the Lord Jesus when He returns to the earth since the Scriptures declare that once those in the Body meet the Lord in the air they will be with Him forever?

Since they will all be with Him forever they will be with Him when He returns to set up the earthly kingdom and no one can enter that kingdom unless they are born again.

 

[john w]

Hi Jerry and in 1 John 2:9 , John says that Whosoever is born of God DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN , so which one do you believe , Jerry ??

Are you a SINNER or do you believe in SINLESS PERFECTION ??

dan p

Correct, DP:



1 John 3:6 KJV 1 John 3:8-10 KJV

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.....He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


1 John 5 KJV

18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Those that are blenders, like old man Jerry, who refuse to rightly divide the word of truth, not discerning whom is being addressed, and when, considering what precedes/follows, have to spin, craftily dismiss, make the above verses "figurative," or just "splain them away." Other, who are intelligent, do not feel compelled to engage in such deception, and understand to whom the verse were written, the context, and when, and the verses make "perfect" sense in the context of a dispensational interpretation.


Hebrews-Rev., including the 1 John passages are future,and are in the context of the Lord's return, the antichrist, the Great Trib., and the restoration of "the days of heaven upon the earth"(Deuteronomy), the mil. k.......................................

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Hi Jerry and in 1 John 2:9 , John says that Whosoever is born of God DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN , so which one do you believe , Jerry ??

Those who John refers to as being born of God do sin (1 Jn.1:8-9) so evidently John has something else in mind.

The point John is making is that the child of God partakes of the nature of his parent, in this case God. So any sin which a born again Christian commits does not stem from the believer's regenerate nature and it can never spring from what a Christian truly is at the level of his regenerate nature.

And that is what Paul is speaking about when he wrote the following in "bold":

"Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me" (Ro.7:20).​

 

[john w]

Those who John refers to as being born of God do sin (1 Jn.1:8-9) so evidently John has something else in mind.

The point John is making is that the child of God partakes of the nature of his parent, in this case God. So any sin which a born again Christian commits does not stem from the believer's regenerate nature and it can never spring from what a Christian truly is at the level of his regenerate nature.

And that is what Paul is speaking about when he wrote the following in "bold":

"Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me" (Ro.7:20).​

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


He that committeth sin is of the devil;

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

The millennium kingdom will be the fruition, the display, and the fulfillment of 3 covenants promised in The Old Testament-the Abrahamic, the Davidic, and the New Covenant, including "sinlessness." The Lord Jesus Christ was prophesizing partial fulfillment of the New Covenant in John 1:47 KJV. Part of the promise of the New Covenant was that the Jews would be given a new heart, and a new spirit:

"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jeremiah 31:33 KJV

"At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: NEITHER SHALL THEY WALK ANY MORE AFTER THE IMAGINATION OF THEIR EVIL HEART." Jeremiah 3:17 KJV

"Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel. And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: THAT THEY MAY WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND KEEP MINE ORDINANCES, AND DO THEM: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God." Ezekiel 11:17-20 KJV

"For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God." Ezekiel 36:24-28 KJV

"Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely: And they shall be my people, and I will be their God: And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me." Jereimah 32:37-40 KJV

“And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.. “ Jeremiah 31:34

(compare with “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” –Isaiah 11:8 KJV/”For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.”- Hab 2:14 KJV.



This is future, on earth, on land, in the millennium kingdom.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

The 1 John passages are future, in the context of the Lord's return, the antichrist, the Great Trib., and the restoration of "the days of heaven upon the earth"(Deuteronomy), the mil. k.......................................

If what is said in John's first epistle was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."

All of the Hebrew epistles will be searched in vain for any of the authors telling their hearers that what they wrote is not for the present time but instead for a future time.

John wrote his words in this epistle during the present dispensation and it was received by those living in the present dispensation. But since what is found in those epistles do not match your mistaken ideas you must try your best to get rid of them.

If the doctrine contained in the following passage is for the earthly kingdom then why would the author tell the following:

"For there is verily an annulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did...By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament" (Heb.7:18-19,22).​

Cornelius Stam, the founder of the Berean Bible Society, wrote that the author of Hebrews "exhorts them to leave, finally and fully, the religion of Judaism with its shadows, for Christianity, with its substance and reality" (Stam, The Epistle to the Hebrews, [Berean Literature Foundation, 1991], 69).

Do you think that during the earthly kingdom that the Jews will be told to leave Judaism?

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[john w]

If what is said in John's first epistle was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."

All of the Hebrew epistles will be searched in vain for any of the authors telling their hearers that what they wrote is not for the present time but instead for a future time.

John wrote his words in this epistle during the present dispensation and it was received by those living in the present dispensation. But since what is found in those epistles do not match your mistaken ideas you must try your best to get rid of them.

If the doctrine contained in the following passage is for the earthly kingdom then why would the author tell the following:

"For there is verily an annulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did...By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament" (Heb.7:18-19,22).​

Cornelius Stam, the founder of the Berean Bible Society, wrote that the author of Hebrews "exhorts them to leave, finally and fully, the religion of Judaism with its shadows, for Christianity, with its substance and reality" (Stam, The Epistle to the Hebrews, [Berean Literature Foundation, 1991], 69).

Do you think that during the earthly kingdom that the Jews will be told to leave Judaism?

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To bible believers only, not bible correctors/mystics/agnostics, who assert that "it all says the same thing::




Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


He that committeth sin is of the devil;

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

The millennium kingdom will be the fruition, the display, and the fulfillment of 3 covenants promised in The Old Testament-the Abrahamic, the Davidic, and the New Covenant, including "sinlessness." The Lord Jesus Christ was prophesizing partial fulfillment of the New Covenant in John 1:47 KJV. Part of the promise of the New Covenant was that the Jews would be given a new heart, and a new spirit:

"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jeremiah 31:33 KJV

"At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: NEITHER SHALL THEY WALK ANY MORE AFTER THE IMAGINATION OF THEIR EVIL HEART." Jeremiah 3:17 KJV

"Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel. And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: THAT THEY MAY WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND KEEP MINE ORDINANCES, AND DO THEM: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God." Ezekiel 11:17-20 KJV

"For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God." Ezekiel 36:24-28 KJV

"Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely: And they shall be my people, and I will be their God: And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me." Jereimah 32:37-40 KJV

“And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.. “ Jeremiah 31:34

(compare with “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” –Isaiah 11:8 KJV/”For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.”- Hab 2:14 KJV.



This is future, on earth, on land, in the millennium kingdom.

 

[john w]

To bible believers only, not bible correctors/mystics/agnostics, who assert that "it all says the same thing," and refuse to recognize differences...




Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


He that committeth sin is of the devil;

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

Well, bible blenders, who assert "it all says the same thing, you kids, who do not rightly divide the word of truth, beat everything-you know that? Accordingly, let's forget the "Patty Cake, Patty Cake" jazz, and "cut to the chase," so to speak, as we are all busy men, and women. It's time for my annual vent, that I'm seeming having to repeat more often, to clear the fog on this "dividing" jazz.......


The Holy Bible refers to "the church of the living God" as "the pillar and ground of the truth"(1 Timothy 3:15 KJV). "...thy word is truth."(John 17:17 KJV)

So, if anyone where to split, divide, a "church", just what would be the basis/justification of the split? One half(or whatever) sides with the truth, rightly divided(2 Timothy 2:15 KJV), the other half sides with error, not "sound doctrine", as preached by our apostle Paul(not Peter, not "the 12"), in this "dispensation of the grace of God"(yes, "dispensation" is a scriptural, biblical word, and a good one, at that(1 Cor. 9:17 KJV; Eph. 1:10 KJV, Eph.3:2 KJV; Col. 1:25 KJV). This, like arguing, is to be embraced-it is a good thing. This is one of the harshest "truths", realities, to accept for babes in Christ(1 Cor. 3 KJV), the sheep: the secrecy of so many Christians, when it comes to "whom are you following?"

I say, once again, shine some light in the dark "churches." Expose everybody to the light: Psalms 119:105 KJV(trans-dispensational biblical doctrine). Cockroaches scurry when the light is shone on them.

Split, split, split them up, I say. Split, split, and keep splitting. The Lord Jesus Christ came to split. He was, and is, the great divider: Genesis 1:4 KJV; Matthew 10:34 KJV, Mt.25:32 KJV; Luke 12:51 KJV; John 7:43 KJV, John 9:16 KJV, John 10:19 KJV; Acts 13:2 KJV; Romans 1:1 KJV; 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV. A sword divides/separates. The cross divides and separates men and women-it does not unify. Dump the refuse, the garbage in the dumpster. Release the secret agent "all of the Holy Bible is written about me, specifically, directed specfically to me, and is for my obedience" back into the ecumenical movement, where they belong. Then, and only then, can we truly be said to be in "the body, the church"(Col. 1:18 KJV, Col. 1:24 KJV; Eph. 5:23 KJV), worshiping the LORD God of truth(John 4:24 KJV), and separating the wheat from the chaff(Mt. 3:12 KJV, Luke 3:17 KJV), from within the true church, in this dispensation, and ending "divisions"( Romans 16:17 KJV; 1 Cor. 1:10 KJV, 1 Cor 3:3 KJV, 1 Cor. 11:18 KJV). Let every "church" you join toss you out for being a "divisive, mean spirited, 'un-Christian', intolerant....." "MAD wacko", "modern" "dispie," as their doctrine is new, has never been taught by the "historic" "the church," and all that jazz......who needs to be drugged up, and properly schooled, albeit in a "sweet Christian manner", into obedience of the "church statement of faith." You wouldn't be splitting any churches, because they are not churches. They are "Rodney Kings", "Oprah Winfrey's"-"Can't we all get along's", as they nod their heads in agreement, as passive drones, who will be spoon fed by their 'church' leaders," mutual admiration clubs, religious drain clogs/toilets, flushing Christians' knowledge, and thus acceptance, of the "dispensation of the gospel", "the dispensation of the grace of God", "the dispensation of God", committed to the apostle Paul(1 Cor. 9:17KJV. Eph. 3:2 KJV, Col. 1:25 KJV),"the apostle of the Gentiles"(Romans 11:13 KJV), and thus, their apostle, down the proverbial toilet.

"Soap Box" time: When we have spoken up on these boards, re. the absolute necessity of rightly dividing this word of truth, "Christians" get angry at us. They, obviously being more "spiritual" than us, don't like us.They "splain away".....

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


He that committeth sin is of the devil;

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;


...and spin the above verses, with, "Well, it is a spiritual principle....figurative...The point John is making is that the child of God partakes of the nature of his parent, in this case God. So any sin which a born again Christian commits does not stem from the believer's regenerate nature and it can never spring from what a Christian truly is at the level of his regenerate nature...blah blah blah....."The Roman Catholic "Church" does the same, to justify all their deceptions. "For crying out loud"-just why do you think they follow Peter, the alleged first "pope," and Matthew-John, to a "t?" And why do the "Church of Christ'ers" preach water baptismal regeneration, per "early Acts?" I will tell you why, in CAPS:


THEY DON'T RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH, and think Paul was merely a "flunkie."


We are "tied to satan...the occult," "are in a cult," "gnosticism," "Neo...blah blah blah....,"they spam/cry. We are "mean spirited...judgmental..intolerant," they wine. "Don't you believe the bible, God, you cherry pickers, bible choppers?", they murmur, in self righteous indignation. I say, please like us(sarcasm is a biblical principle). I want people to like us(vs. Proverbs 29:25 KJV; Mt. 6:2 KJV, Mt. 6:5 KJV; John 5:44 KJV, John 12:43 KJV ; Acts 5:29 KJV; Galatians 1:10 KJV; Eph. 6:6 KJV; Colossians 3:22 KJV; 1 Thel. 2:4 KJV). We will be a good boys, this time, and not be "divisive." If "sound doctrine"(1 Timothy 1:10 KJV; 2 Timothy 4:2-3 KJV; Titus 1:9 KJV, Titus 2:10 KJV), is not important, we plead "guilty as charged."

"But thou hast fully known my doctrine(my note-Paul's doctrine for the body of Christ-Romans-Philemon), manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience..." 2 Tim. 3:10 KJV


Truth, by its nature, is divisive, and the word of truth, rightly divided, more so. Division is what the Lord Jesus Christ brought to the “ecumenical tupperware party.” And that is what we should bring. I love respective members of the body of Christ, "Christians," and that is why I give them the truth, and the word of truth, rightly divided, and then encourage them to survey the Holy Bible, and figure it out for themselves-Acts 17:2 KJV, 11; 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV. However, if you love someone, you tell them the truth, sound doctrine, as scripture reveals it rightly divided, whether they want to hear it or not. Truth must not be sacrificed(compromised) at the altar of today's so-called enlightened, non-judgmental, "tolerant" culture. The apostle Paul perhaps best summed it up when he asked the poignant question:

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" Galatians 4:16 KJV

The LORD God never sacrifices truth for peace, sound doctrine for compromise.

Spilt, split, split………..Keep on splitting, I say.....


"And to make ALL MEN SEE(emphasis mine) what is the fellowship of the mystery…" Eph. 3:9
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Vegas has it at 2/1 that I will be accused of "bible chopping/splitting...cherry picking...," and, of course, the "Don't you believe the bible/God/'Jesus'/Paul/ Peter?" puzzler, that leaves us scratchin' our noggins.

 

[john w]

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


He that committeth sin is of the devil;

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;


"What John is really saying.........blah blah blah....."