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[ok doser]

Is it?

If someone you loved was shooting heroin, would you find it hard to hate their dirty habit, while still loving the person?

at what point, though, does a person become defined by their actions?




consider a catholic priest, for example, who ministers to the sick, comforts the elderly, feeds the poor....

...and molests children

at what point does he become a child molester?

 

[quip]

Is it?

If someone you loved was shooting heroin, would you find it hard to hate their dirty habit, while still loving the person?

Of course, though...

Drug abuse is not a sin....plus it harbors tangible negative effects beyond the acts of abuse.
Sins, on the other hand, are mere religious ideologies. Your analogy's hereby challenged by their dissimilarities

 

[glassjester]

at what point, though, does a person become defined by their actions?




consider a catholic priest, for example, who ministers to the sick, comforts the elderly, feeds the poor....

...and molests children

at what point does he become a child molester?

How would that change any of it?

Molestation is the sin, and the molester is the sinner.
We are not to hate the molester.

 

[glassjester]

Drug abuse is not a sin....plus it harbors tangible negative effects beyond the acts of abuse.
Sins, on the other hand, are mere religious ideologies. Your analogy's hereby challenged by their dissimilarities

Yes, abusing drugs is a sin.

But if you want to consider drug abuse an "illness," then we can try any other sin of your choosing.
What do you consider sinful?

 

[quip]

Yes, abusing drugs is a sin.

But if you want to consider drug abuse an "illness," then we can try any other sin of your choosing.
What do you consider sinful?

I don't ascribe to the ideology of sin.

 

[glassjester]

I don't ascribe to the ideology of sin.

Then how do you expect to understand the idea that someone could love a sinner? You don't believe sinners exist.

 

[quip]

Then how do you expect to understand the idea that someone could love a sinner? You don't believe sinners exist.

I didn't say I didnt understand such

 

[glassjester]

I didn't say I didnt understand such

Didn't you express doubt that it's possible to love a sinner while hating their sin?

 

[ok doser]

How would that change any of it?

Molestation is the sin, and the molester is the sinner.
We are not to hate the molester.

the unrepentant molester who is determined to continue molesting?

how do we separate the molester from their actions?

 

[glassjester]

the unrepentant molester who is determined to continue molesting?

how do we separate the molester from their actions?

Separate them? Why?

The child molester is vile and dangerous. He is certainly my enemy.
And Christ commands me to love my enemy.

 

[ok doser]

Separate them? Why?

The child molester is vile and dangerous. He is certainly my enemy.
And Christ commands me to love my enemy.

abhor that which is evil

are not those who do evil, evil?

 

[quip]

Didn't you express doubt that it's possible to love a sinner while hating their sin?

Yes

 

[glassjester]

abhor that which is evil

are not those who do evil, evil?

"That which is," not "Those who do."

 

[glassjester]

Yes

Why?

 

[ok doser]

so those who do evil are not evil themselves?


is any man evil?

is any man good?

 

[glassjester]

so those who do evil are not evil themselves?

is any man evil?

is any man good?

Of course.

But you will not find Christ (or Paul, for that matter) commanding us to hate people.

Why is that?

 

[quip]

Why?

You dont condemn those you love to hell nor marginalize them otherwise.

 

[glassjester]

You dont condemn thosr you love to hell nor marginalize them otherwise.

Indeed.

I do not have the ability to condemn anyone to Hell. Nor do I have the ability to know who is in (or going to) Hell.

 

[quip]

Indeed.

I do not have the ability to condemn anyone to Hell. Nor do I have the ability to know who is in (or going to) Hell.

Though you may still marginalize them based upon prevailing religious opinion
Yes?

 

[glassjester]

Though you may still marginalize them based upon prevailing religious opinion
Yes?

How might I marginalize "them?"