Hosts of "Fixer upper" HGTV show under Attack for Attending Bible Believing Church

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Hosts of "Fixer upper" HGTV show under Attack for Attending Bible Believing Church

Chip and Joanna Gaines Under Attack for Attending Bible Believing Church; Benham Brothers Respond

Chip and Joanna Gaines, stars of HGTV's No. 1 series "Fixer Upper," are being lambasted by secular media this week for attending a church that espouses the traditional view of marriage and sexual morality.

Buzzfeed and Cosmopolitan magazine reported this week that the Gaines family are members of Antioch Community Church in Waco, Texas, where Pastor Jimmy Seibert has preached that the practice of homosexuality is a sin, and urged Christians not to adopt the Supreme Court's redefinition of marriage after it ruled that same-sex marriage is legal nationwide in July 2015.

Cosmo called the Gaines' church attendance a "startling revelation that has left many wondering where Chip and Jo stand."

Equally alarmed, Buzzfeed reported that while the Gaines' have a wide variety of fans, "in the absence of a response from them or their representatives, it's worth looking at the severe, unmoving position Seibert and Antioch take on same-sex marriage."

In 2014, twin brothers David and Jason Benham were in the middle of filming an HGTV house-flipping television series of their own when they were told it would be cancelled in light of their past public expression of Christian beliefs on homosexuality, abortion and no-fault divorce.

"The first phone call that Jason and I took after we got fired by HGTV was from Chip Gaines who told us that he was sick and tired of watching what was happening to his country and how people are just sitting back and doing nothing," Benham said.

"The Gaines are like millions of other Americans," he added. "They are not anti anything. They're pro-Jesus and they're pro-Bible because they know what God's best is for human flourishing."

As soon as the Benham brothers saw the articles from Buzzfeed and Cosmopolitan, they took to Facebook to voice support for their friends.

David Benham told CP that he believes if media outlets are not successful at shaming the Gaines or Seibert, they will go after HGTV's advertisers or any other person with whom the Gaines are associated who might share their stance, but that the Gaines themselves will stay strong.

Samuel James, a communications specialist with the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commision of the Southern Baptist Convention, listed several questions he has for Buzzfeed and its "expose" on the Gaines family and Bible-believing Christians in an op-ed published in CP on Wednesday. James told CP in a phone interview that he suspects the media is engaging in some "journalistic virtue-signaling to try to get people worked up about a belief that Buzzfeed doesn't agree with politically or morally."

The other possiblity, and it is a generous interpretation, he added, "is that Buzzfeed really doesn't believe that its readership knows about these beliefs. They don't know that the belief that same-sex marriage is immoral is actually preached in thousands upon thousands of churches across the nation."

On sexuality issues, "what we have had in the absence of a national conversation is basically the muscle of the cultural elite, an enforcement of a new moral code on the country that has happened in the place of a dialogue," he said.

That journalists feign shock that they heard a Christian pastor say these things indicates that the United States is in a cultural moment where the expectation is that if one holds viewpoints the elites deem unacceptable, saying them publicly will mean punishment, James added.

Such overt displays show that a movement is afoot where even one's friendships and connections are evidence of guilt and reveals "a ruthlessness to our cultural moment that needs to be talked about more openly," James said.

Baptist theologian and Midwestern Seminary professor Owen Strachan concurs, noting in a Wednesday post on the seminary's Center for Public Theology website that indeed Americans "are in a strange moment as a nation."

"The Muslim attacker at Ohio State is defended by public leaders for his religious views while an evangelical couple that builds houses for single mothers is under fire for believing what billions of people hold. This is wrong, and unfair, and citizens should oppose this illogic as it picks up speed," Strachan said.

"America should not be a nation friendly to only one group, one point-of-view. America should welcome people of all creeds and faiths and views. Many agree, and so I predict that this attack on the Gaines family will backfire," Strachan said. "As we have seen politically in recent days, there is tremendous — and justified — opposition to the cultural policing of people whose views run counter to the mainstream media. Many of us want to live in a culture where we can disagree like adults, and where many views compete for cultural adoption."

Liberal - tolerant (if you agree with them) and totalitarians, if you do not, you will be forced to agree. You may not have a belief or opinion that isnt sanctioned.
 

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I think its no mistake that this negative attention has started after they made this:


John 15:18 If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first. 19If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.…

Proverbs 29:27
An unjust man is abominable to the righteous, And he who is upright in the way is abominable to the wicked.

Isaiah 66:5
Hear the word of the LORD, you who tremble at His word: "Your brothers who hate you, who exclude you for My name's sake, Have said, 'Let the LORD be glorified, that we may see your joy.' But they will be put to shame.

Matthew 10:22
You will be hated by everyone on account of My name, but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

Matthew 24:9
Then they will hand you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations on account of My name.

John 7:7
The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me, because I testify that its works are evil.
 

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10 Questions for Buzzfeed About That 'Fixer Upper' Gay Marriage Article

After reading Buzzfeed's "expose" on the evangelical teachings of the church that evangelicals Chip and Joanna Gaines attend, I have a few questions for Buzzfeed, Kate Aurthur (the writer of the piece), and for publications that do this kind of thing:

1. How many evangelical Christians do you personally know? How many evangelical Christians are employed by your company? If the answer to either of these questions is "None," why do you believe that is?

2. Why, in your opinion, would your readers want to know what the pastor of the Gaines family preaches about sexuality? Based on what you know of your readership, how are your consumers likely to respond to a piece like this?

3. As a journalist, what is your hope for this piece? Would you hope that it results in the Gaines losing their show? Publicly disowning their pastor? Receiving a public outcry? If none of these, what?

4. Which do you consider more journalistically noteworthy: The belief that all who do not worship Jesus Christ will eventually be in hell, or the belief that sex is meant only for a man and a woman in marriage? If the first, why is that not the story here? If the second, why is this teaching more significant than the first?

5. Do you believe that people who have the same religious convictions as Jim Seibert are capable of having genuine friendships with those who disagree with them?

6. As the piece notes, many people, including LGBT Americans, watch Fixer Upper. Why do you think this is?

7. Does this piece necessarily reflect an editorial position of Buzzfeed? If not, should HGTV feel like they are being represented by the religious beliefs of the Gaines?

8. Would Buzzfeed (or Cosmopolitan) be willing to publish a perspective on this story by a person such as Wesley Hill or Eve Tushnet? If not, why not?

9. Would Buzzfeed fire a staffer for expressing beliefs similar to Jim Seibert? Would Buzzfeed fire a staffer not for expressing such beliefs, but upon discovering the staffer attended a religious gathering that taught them? In your opinion, does being wrong on LGBT issues make one a bad person?

10. If Chip Gaines, Joanna Gaines, Jim Seibert, or another evangelical Christian asked you why they or their family and friends should trust what they read reported in Buzzfeed, what would you say?

Great questions, i wonder if they will bother to answer?
 

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Yet there is a white supremacist being allowed to give a lecture at one of our colleges right now. What is wrong with his country!!!!!!!
 

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This blows my mind. You are not allowed to be Christian in this country and be on TV apparently.

Dont you remember the "gay" outcry over Phil Robertson of "Duck Dynasty" having been interviewed in "GQ" magazine when he expressed his views on gay marriage?

Even Cracker Barrel pulled their merchandise, but quickly (in one day) reversed course when christians contacted them reminding them of who eats and shops there ...

Liberals are now totalitarians
 

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Dont you remember the "gay" outcry over Phil Robertson of "Duck Dynasty" having been interviewed in "GQ" magazine when he expressed his views on gay marriage?

Even Cracker Barrel pulled their merchandise, but quickly (in one day) reversed course when christians contacted them reminding them of who eats and shops there ...

Liberals are now totalitarians

Yea but duck dynasty went overboard IMO. Their view was not just pro traditional marriage, it was wrapped in hate and prejudice. They rubbed me the wrong way. Even their show sometimes rubs me the wrong way how he talks.
But chip and and Joanna express nothing but love and no hate on their show. They need to be left alone.
 

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Yea but duck dynasty went overboard IMO. Their view was not just pro traditional marriage, it was wrapped in hate and prejudice.

How, define what he said and what was hate and prejudice about it and why.


They rubbed me the wrong way. Even their show sometimes rubs me the wrong way how he talks.
What did and what was said that did and what about how he talks does that, and if it bothers you so bad, why do you want to be able to take it off the air?

Can you not change the channel? (what Christians have been told about filth on tv)

But chip and and Joanna express nothing but love and no hate on their show. They need to be left alone.

Is it hateful or loving to warn the lost about what will happen to them if they die without Christ?

If they outright spoke against gay marriage as being a sin, in addition to attending a church that does so, would you believe that hateful or loving?

Did you watch their "I am second" video, posted above and did they seem hateful or loving?
 

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This really got me upset! Like where is God in this country?!! They are trying to make good people villains! Chip and Joanna come on! They are so nice. Yet we have a president that is a rapist, sexist, makes fun of mentally challenged people, insults women, judges women on their bodies and he is loved across the country. And there is a f*cking White supremacist lecturing in one of our colleges!!! Please where is God!
 

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How, define what he said and what was hate and prejudice about it and why.



What did and what was said that did and what about how he talks does that, and if it bothers you so bad, why do you want to be able to take it off the air?

Can you not change the channel? (what Christians have been told about filth on tv)



Is it hateful or loving to warn the lost about what will happen to them if they die without Christ?

If they outright spoke against gay marriage as being a sin, in addition to attending a church that does so, would you believe that hateful or loving?

Did you watch their "I am second" video, posted above and did they seem hateful or loving?

Our job as Christians is to show love. No one has ever changed their Ways because they were told what they were doing was wrong. This doesn't work.

Being gay doesn't prevent you from going into heaven. Being heterosexual doesn't mean your going to heaven. Getting into heaven Has more to do than what your sexual orientation is.
 

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This really got me upset! Like where is God in this country?!!
In control and in heaven and unmoved even though many people are trying to push Him out and removed Him from the town square.

They are trying to make good people villains! Chip and Joanna come on! They are so nice.

Agreed, but they believe the same exact things as those from duck dynasty, why is it wrong for Phil to believe (you said hateful) but ok for Chip and Joanna (who also believe the same thing)?

Yet we have a president that is a rapist, sexist, makes fun of mentally challenged people, insults women, judges women on their bodies and he is loved across the country.
Please take discussion about Donald Trump to another thread, This thread is not about him or your disgust with him.

And there is a f*cking White supremacist lecturing in one of our colleges!!! Please where is God!

You are cursing as you ask where God is? Odd.

Also you keep saying white supremacist lecturing, yet havent responded to my questions to you, or shown who this person is, and why you believe them to be that, or stated its relevance to this thread, are you a troll?
 

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Our job as Christians is to show love. No one has ever changed their Ways because they were told what they were doing was wrong. This doesn't work.

Why do you believe Christ laid down His life, and do you think He was wrong to command that we be salt and light in a dying world and to preach the gospel to all?

Do you believe there is a place called hell or the lake of fire and that some will end up there?

Do you believe that all religions are truth and that truth is relative?

Being gay doesn't prevent you from going into heaven.
Yes, it does, if you do not agree that its sin and defy God and refuse to turn it over to Him as sin. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals

Being heterosexual doesn't mean your going to heaven. Getting into heaven Has more to do than what your sexual orientation is.

Agreed, it means believing the gospel of grace.

Would you care to answer my questions now? (as well as the many ive asked before this post in an attempt at conversation which requires back and forth and actual responses)
 

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We are all sinners. And like the Bible says when you sin once you sin them all. All sin is equal in Gods eyes. So if you feel better about yourself and your christianhood bc your not gay or a murder your "just" a liar sorry that's not how God sees it.
We are all equals, we are all Gods children, and he loves us all equally, which is with everything being in his body and soul. We need to show love to the world. We can show love and disagree with gay marriage and abortion. But we can't judge people and hate on them and point a finger at what they do when we essentially do the same thing, we just sin differently.
 

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We are all equals, we are all Gods children

Wrong, scripture refutes you:

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 children born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but born of God

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

1 John 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
 

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Richard spencer the American white nationalist. Aka white supremacist.

In other words, liberals claim he is, and you have no evidence of such. Please make your own thread if you wish to keep discussing things that have nothing to do with this one, thanks.
 
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