beloved57
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Be honest, don't you teach that God will yet execute Divine Justice and punishment on sinners Christ died for ?
Honor God's Son or Perish
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Be honest, don't you teach that God will yet execute Divine Justice and punishment on sinners Christ died for ?
Only because like you they don't believe. They deserve hell just like you.
Its like pulling a drowning man out of the sea, only to have him spit in your face.
beloved57
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Then you make God unjust. Those Christ died for, Christ paid the penalty for their sins already, and He obeyed the law for them and made them righteous before God.
Yea, and like you they spit in his face.
beloved57
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You make God out to be a unjust tyrant, out of control.
God so loves you that he gives his only begotten Son to save you from your sins and you spit in his face.
beloved57
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It's a evil thing you do to Charge God with unrighteousness.
Jesus has saved you from your sins and your response is to spit in his face.
beloved57
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You make God a Unrighteous God, a Unjust God !
Are you a disciple of Jesus. He says;
John 13:35 New King James Version (NKJV)
35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
KingdomRose
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There is more to "believing" than just accepting the fact that Jesus is mankind's Savior. "The demons believe and shudder" (James 2:19). Or do we disregard the words of James? It is false to insist that "we have no participation in our salvation."
Jesus said that he who DOES the will of God will be saved (Matthew 7:21). Hello. Jesus indicates that we have to participate.
Of course we have to believe that Christ died for our sins. That is number one on the list, so to speak. But in order to NOT be like the demons who believe (but shudder), we have to go forward with our ACTIONS, to follow Christ in what we DO. (I Peter 2:21) How you can dismiss THAT I find unbelievable.
I read Isaiah 53 and am greatly moved. There is no disputing that in my mind. It is sad that you reject a great deal of the Bible, some of which I cited above.
KingdomRose
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Boy are you confused. Don't you understand that Christ would never have had to come here and die for us if Adam had remained obedient? No one was ever meant to have to die for mankind's sins. When Adam was created, he was created perfect and with the purpose of living forever right here on Earth (Deut.32:4; Isaiah 45:18; Genesis 1:28; 2:15). If Adam had obeyed, he would still be here. God said that he would die only if he ate of the tree that He had reserved for Himself.
Are you saying that God had always planned to have Christ come to save mankind, even before creating humans? That is ridiculous.
"The world" (2Tim.1:9) is the world of mankind ALIENATED FROM GOD, as the Apostle John references at I John 2:15-17. It began after Adam rebelled and with the birth of Cain. That is when "the world" began, and God had immediately planned for a Redeemer the moment Adam disobeyed. That is why it is said that God "called us with a holy calling...before the world began." When Adam sinned, Jehovah planned humans' salvation by means of Christ and his co-rulers (Daniel 7:13,14 & 18; Revelation 5:10).
These co-rulers were not identified individually, but their special CLASS was preordinated. God knows these ones by name now, but then He only had preordained that there would be a certain number of people who would rule with Christ.
The "world" that God loved (John 3:16) is the entire world of mankind that has existed since Cain, and God does love every human regardless of their faith or lack of it. To love someone doesn't mean that you do not carry out the stated consequences of disobedience. You need to rethink your unscriptural viewpoints.
Nanja
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Yes you are.
Actually, you're blinded to the Truth.
2 Cor. 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
~~~
Ben Masada
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...and miss the treat he was promised for behaving well.
Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
This means that salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.
However, this act of reconciliation is not ours until it is received, This is why Paul said, "We pray you in Christ's stead, BE YE RECONCILED UNTO GOD" 2 Corinthians 5:20.
This means that salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.
However, this act of reconciliation is not ours until it is received, This is why Paul said, "We pray you in Christ's stead, BE YE RECONCILED UNTO GOD" 2 Corinthians 5:20.
Ben Masada
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In Christ's stead or in Christ's instead? As I can see, Paul either had the power as Christ himself or because
Jesus was dead already and he would speak in his place. Either way, Paul was acting as Christ himself. Hence,it
was according to the gospel of Paul that Jesus was of the lineage of David, the son of God and had resurrected.
(II Timothy 2:8 and Acts 9:20)
You are in deep denial that Jesus is the Christ and is the savior of the world. You might as well be an atheist. It might be better for you in the judgment if you were.
beloved57
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You may as well be an atheist since the christ you serve can't save sinners.lol
No. I don't think this. I don't know what you are thinking.
The will of the Father is that you believe on his Son Jesus Christ.
The work of salvation has already been done by the doing and the dying of Jesus. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. To believe that you must do works to be saved is a denial of the Gospel.