IMJerusha
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So's Yeshua. We have it on good authority.
For everyone who is concerned about my eternal soul
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So's Yeshua. We have it on good authority.
IMJerusha
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That seems a bit too new age-ish to me. It's like Shirley MacLaine beating on her breast, screaming "I am God!" KWIM?
Yep.
And on that same authority, my dear departed husband will be too.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
what measure you use, will be measured back to you......
what measure you use, will be measured back to you......
Recognizing universal laws such as forgiveness and how we judge or measure things, is not 'new-age', but a true observation of how things work.
pj
what measure you use, will be measured back to you......
Recognizing universal laws such as forgiveness and how we judge or measure things, is not 'new-age', but a true observation of how things work.
pj
IMJerusha
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Sure, as long as we don't attempt to bring the nature of God down to a "more manageable level." Be careful how you use that word "universal." In certain circles it has nothing to do with the faith of Yeshua.
Hes not sure, in other words hes confused too.
JosephR
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Do we need God to judge us when we know the truth already?
can we lie to ourself or God?
It seems one of us did move on, :turkey:
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
The power of forgiveness......
The power of forgiveness......
Well, a true or operative law is 'universal' by nature, so the act of forgiveness includes all who engage it, or give it out. Its for-giving
- by the act of release (total letting go), we open the channels between us and God and our fellow man, setting all free, making all one again. Jesus 'faith' seems to have included an understanding of this law, for he said by it, we could forgive one another. "forgive, and you will be forgiven". If we don't forgive, we cannot be forgiven. This is true or it is not, however modified.
pj
The power of forgiveness......
Well, a true or operative law is 'universal' by nature, so the act of forgiveness includes all who engage it, or give it out. Its for-giving
- by the act of release (total letting go), we open the channels between us and God and our fellow man, setting all free, making all one again. Jesus 'faith' seems to have included an understanding of this law, for he said by it, we could forgive one another. "forgive, and you will be forgiven". If we don't forgive, we cannot be forgiven. This is true or it is not, however modified.pj
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
One does not need to beat their chest and scream to recognize the presence of the "I Am", since one's own pure awareness is of the same essence as God, since God is One. There is only One Presence that is Being. Only the mind assumes otherwise, with its perception of 'seperation' and 'difference'. God is all.
pj
IMJerusha
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It doesn't matter what we need, it's what's going to happen.
Can we?....we do and there will be consequences.
IMJerusha
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Tell Shirley that! LOL
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
The Christ within.............
The Christ within.............
I haven't kept up with Shirley lately, but there are a good share of many souls on our planet awakening to higher consciousness, as we raise our vibrations to bring in the New Era
Does 'Christ-consciousness' ring any bells?
pj
The Christ within.............
I haven't kept up with Shirley lately, but there are a good share of many souls on our planet awakening to higher consciousness, as we raise our vibrations to bring in the New Era
Does 'Christ-consciousness' ring any bells?
pj
IMJerusha
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I haven't kept up with Shirley lately, but there are a good share of many souls on our planet awakening to higher consciousness, as we raise our vibrations to bring in the New Era
There is no new era under Yeshua. It's the same as it's always been.
Nah. I'll stick with God, Yeshua, the Ruach and the plain old, and yet exhilarating, Gospel.
Humanism is not God's plan, it's man's plan. That's never a good thing.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Consciousness is key...........
Consciousness is key...........
Ah, so no "new heavens or new earth", or Jesus saying "behold, I make all things new". Certainly as evolving mortals on a planet in space-time, there are new dispensations, awakenings, evolutions in consciousness,....no?
Well, I can respect religious tradition, culture and even orthodoxy,...but don't forget the fresh nuance and renewal of the Spirit dancing over the waters. The Infinite Spirit like a great central sun, is the core-hub of a wheel with numerous spokes which represent various religious traditions, being different rays of the original Light.
'Humanism' rightly appropriated and coordinated by divine guidance and leadership is both logical and natural to eternal progress, but I didn't bring up that particular 'term'. If 'man' be the image and likeness of Deity, therefore an individual expression of divinity, it is natural that he have divine potential and abilities, to use those 'rightly' and 'creatively' in service to life. In this way a kind spiritual-humanism is fitting to human progress.
Consciousness is key...........
Ah, so no "new heavens or new earth", or Jesus saying "behold, I make all things new". Certainly as evolving mortals on a planet in space-time, there are new dispensations, awakenings, evolutions in consciousness,....no?
Nah. I'll stick with God, Yeshua, the Ruach and the plain old, and yet exhilarating, Gospel.
Well, I can respect religious tradition, culture and even orthodoxy,...but don't forget the fresh nuance and renewal of the Spirit dancing over the waters. The Infinite Spirit like a great central sun, is the core-hub of a wheel with numerous spokes which represent various religious traditions, being different rays of the original Light.
'Humanism' rightly appropriated and coordinated by divine guidance and leadership is both logical and natural to eternal progress, but I didn't bring up that particular 'term'. If 'man' be the image and likeness of Deity, therefore an individual expression of divinity, it is natural that he have divine potential and abilities, to use those 'rightly' and 'creatively' in service to life. In this way a kind spiritual-humanism is fitting to human progress.
A soul sated with evil is only fit to be salted with fire
To the author of original post....you make a whole lot of sense. Ive been a christian for thirty yrs now and avid bible reader.
Cant accept hell anymore. Torture is wrong and if that's the only answer to deal with the sin we were born with then in my mind I wouldnt have made man or obliterated adam and eve after they sinned. You may want to consider annihilation as a option. God offers eternal life if you want it and if not u die.
I know this goes against everything I belive but it's where im headed to get thru the abhorrence of a god who allows torture as a result of offering us free will. My kid is gonna cross a highway im gonna pull that kid back....screw his freaking free will...im his dad and that trumps free will.
Cant accept hell anymore. Torture is wrong and if that's the only answer to deal with the sin we were born with then in my mind I wouldnt have made man or obliterated adam and eve after they sinned. You may want to consider annihilation as a option. God offers eternal life if you want it and if not u die.
I know this goes against everything I belive but it's where im headed to get thru the abhorrence of a god who allows torture as a result of offering us free will. My kid is gonna cross a highway im gonna pull that kid back....screw his freaking free will...im his dad and that trumps free will.
PureX
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We humans do have free will. It is limited, but it's free enough that we can choose to live in meanness, instead of kindness, in selfishness instead of generosity, in competition instead of cooperation with each other, and in violence and vengeance instead of peace and forgiveness. And through our free choice to do so, we can create a hell on Earth for ourselves and each other.
Or we can choose not to.
The choice is ours, but the effect is collective and so also must be our choosing. Will we, as a people, choose to live for the collective good? Or for our individual advantage?
It doesn't really matter what the Bible says. This is the choice we keep facing, all our lives. And to the extent that we experience "hell", it will be as the result of these choices, made both repeatedly and collectively, and effecting us all.
Or we can choose not to.
The choice is ours, but the effect is collective and so also must be our choosing. Will we, as a people, choose to live for the collective good? Or for our individual advantage?
It doesn't really matter what the Bible says. This is the choice we keep facing, all our lives. And to the extent that we experience "hell", it will be as the result of these choices, made both repeatedly and collectively, and effecting us all.
marhig
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I know this is an old post, but i would like to say that in the bible it says that God is love, and to see God, you only have to read about Jesus who came in his express image. I don't see burning in hell as a natural fire but rather burning in our own lusts. I see the bible as a spiritual book with many deep meanings that God opens our understanding to through revelation the more we obey him and do his will which is to love him with all our hearts and love those around us as we love ourselves, Jesus said that those 2 commandments cover them all. If we follow these commandments we wouldn't hurt anyone else, but love them because God spirit will be living in us and christ will be living through us, and if Christ is living through us, then we will be showing Gods love to everyone, whoever they are.
As Jesus says "those who have ears to hear, hear"