Dozer's Fixation on Rape!

[genuineoriginal]

Every woman alive and in her right mind is very aware of how dangerous some men are.

You are putting all the blame on men, and none on the society that churns out sexual deviants by the tens of thousands.

We do avoid risky behavior,

Not everyone thinks you are avoiding risky behavior, since that is the real topic of this debate we are having.

yet we are raped in our beds, in our cars, in our parks and on dates. Our children are raped in their cribs and in our playgrounds and schools. We are even raped in mortuaries after death.
We know that "no matter what we do" we are in danger that lurks unseen and sometimes seen.

We live in a society that has sexualized every hour of our lives from the time we come out of the womb until the time we are put into the grave, and sometimes beyond.
This society has become a factory for producing sexual deviants.

These sexual deviants range from people that think there is nothing wrong with sex outside of marriage, to those that think there is nothing wrong with abortion, incest, bestiality, homosexuality, necrophilia, adultery, and rape.

Most of the people in our society have so many shades of grey in their blindfolds that they find it impossible to see how deviant our society has become.

No, the blame does not lie only on men, it also lies with the feminists who refuse to take responsibility for those actions of theirs that have turned this society into a factory for producing sexual deviants.

 

[glorydaz]

You are putting all the blame on men, and none on the society that churns out sexual deviants by the tens of thousands.

Not everyone thinks you are avoiding risky behavior, since that is the real topic of this debate we are having.

We live in a society that has sexualized every hour of our lives from the time we come out of the womb until the time we are put into the grave, and sometimes beyond.
This society has become a factory for producing sexual deviants.

These sexual deviants range from people that think there is nothing wrong with sex outside of marriage, to those that think there is nothing wrong with abortion, incest, bestiality, homosexuality, necrophilia, adultery, and rape.

Most of the people in our society have so many shades of grey in their blindfolds that they find it impossible to see how deviant our society has become.

No, the blame does not lie only on men, it also lies with the feminists who refuse to take responsibility for those actions of theirs that have turned this society into a factory for producing sexual deviants.

:first:

 

[genuineoriginal]

So ... if a man is being over flirtatious and a group of women decide to teach him a lesson (for his own good), he is responsible for his own rape?

Those are the type of women that have created the greater risk for rape for all women in our society.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Actually, she and the rest of us understand all too well. IF this were any other discussion that didn't center on rape, no one would be suggesting that homeowners are at fault for the actions of a thief.

People should be responsible for doing the RIGHT thing.

Here is one example of how the police are always blaming the victims for rape:
Personal Safety Tips

Spoiler

Rape is a violent crime and a frightening experience. Rape affects all women, no matter what their age, race or economic status. It must also be remembered that men are not immune and can also be victims of sexual violence. Rape can occur anywhere and at anytime, in public or in your own home. Rapists are not necessarily strangers. In fact, in many reported cases, the rapist is an acquaintance, neighbor, friend, or relative.

The Fort Worth Police Department S.C.R.A.M. (Sex Crimes, Registration, Apprehension, and Monitoring) Unit personnel are available to talk to groups on "Personal Situational Awareness Training." The training lasts about 2 hours; however, the program can be adjusted to meet the needs of your organization. Topics include: recognizing and acting upon your intuition to reduce the risk of being a victim of a violent assault, who is a predator or attacker--myth vs reality, signals to watch for when encountering a stranger or meeting a new acquaintance, dating relationships--warning signals and potential dangers, risk factors that may increase the chances of a violent personal assault, and drug/alcohol facilitated sexual assaults. For more information, visit their website at www.psafw.com.

General Tips

• Trust your instincts. If a situation makes you uncomfortable or uneasy, leave.
  
• Be alert to your surroundings and the people around you.
• Walk confidently and with a steady pace. A rapist often looks for someone who appears vulnerable.
• Always let someone know where you are and where you may be going.

If you are attacked:

• The best prevention and resistance you can use against a rapist is your common sense.
• Think, don’t panic. There is no single action to take if you are attacked. Your best defense is to be prepared and know your options and capabilities.
• Do whatever it takes to survive. Remember, you are the victim. You have nothing to feel guilty or ashamed about. Rapists commit the crime, not the victim.

Safety at home

• Install effective locks on all doors and windows and be sure to use them. Never leave your door unlocked, even for a moment.
• Install a peephole viewer in your door and never open your door without knowing who is on the other side.
• When moving into a new home or apartment, make sure the locks are replaced or rekeyed.
• If you live in an apartment, avoid being in the laundry room or garage by yourself, especially at night.
• If you live alone, use only your last name and first initial on your mail box and in telephone directories.
• Don’t let strangers into your home-no matter what the reason or emergency. Offer to make an emergency phone call while they wait outside.
• If you come home and find a door or window open or signs of forced entry, DON’T GO IN!
• Never mention that you, a friend, or a neighbor lives alone or is at home alone. In public or on a cell phone, don’t broadcast your plans so strangers can overhear.
• Keep entrances well lit. It is not uncommon for a criminal to remove, unscrew, or break bulbs in entryways.
• Always have your door key ready so you can enter your home without delay.
• When friends or family drop you off at home or work, have them wait until you are safely inside before leaving and do the same for your friends and family.

Safety in your vehicle

• Keep your car in good working order and the gas tank at least half full.
• Park in well-lighted areas.
• Have your car keys in your hand and check the back seat area before entering your car. Notice under the car as you walk up to it.
• If you think you are being followed, drive to a public place or to a open police or fire station.
• Lock your car door immediately after entering the car.
• If your car is being repaired, leave only your car keys with the repair shop.
• When approaching your car look all around the area. If you see anything suspicious, keep going and call the police.
• If your car breaks down, turn on your flashers, open the hood, and wait inside the car with your doors locked. If someone stops, stay in your car , roll down your window slightly and ask them to call the police, a garage, or a tow service for you.
• Safety While Walking
  
• Don’t hitchhike or accept rides from strangers
• If a driver stops to ask directions, avoid getting near the car. Never let someone get you in their car—run, yell, attract attention.
• If you are harassed by the occupants of a car, turn and walk the other way direction.
• Avoid walking alone at night and avoid doorways, bushes, and alleys.
• Dating and Date Rape Drugs
  
• Date Rape is forced or coerced sex. Tactics used can either be physical or emotional. Drugs may be used to render the victim unconscious and limit memory. The most common drug is Alcohol, with others being Rohypnol, GHB, and Ketamine which are odorless and tasteless. The use of any drug makes it harder to resist sexual assault or to think clearly in a potentially dangerous situation.

Safety on a Date

Date Rape is forced or coerced sex. Tactics used can either be physical or emotional. Drugs may be used to render the victim unconscious and limit memory. The most common drug is Alcohol, with others being Rohypnol, GHB, and Ketamine which are odorless and tasteless. The use of any drug makes it harder to resist sexual assault or to think clearly in a potentially dangerous situation.

• Have an idea of where you are going and be suspicious of sudden changes to the plan. Let someone know where you are going.
• Do suggest going on a group date if you feel uncomfortable about going alone or drive your own car and ask to meet your date in a public place.
• Keep spare money, calling cards, or a cell phone handy for immediate access if you decide to cut the date short and need transportation.
• Stay sober while on a date. Remember, alcohol impairs judgment and memory.
• Don’t accept drinks from other people, except someone you trust.
• Open containers yourself.
• Never leave your drink unattended. Take it with you, even to the bathroom.
• Don’t share drinks.
• If you feel sick or dizzy while out socially, go to someone you trust or call someone to come pick you up. Never leave alone or with someone you do not trust with your life.

Spoiler

If you still think that is blaming the victim, you are a moron.

 

[genuineoriginal]

You have just stated one of the most important truths so far!

"People should be responsible for doing the RIGHT thing"!

I see the two of you don't think anyone should be responsible for doing the WRONG things.

 

[genuineoriginal]

The real crux is that I should not live my life in accordance with what a minority of people (criminals) might do. I believe this applies to everyone. If you have a dress you like and think you look good in, you should wear it. Do not limit your own freedoms

You seem to have 50 shades of grey freedoms that must never be limited.

 

[Quetzal]

You seem to have 50 shades of grey freedoms that must never be limited.

I would prefer if they were not limited. :chuckle:

 

[genuineoriginal]

What is so interesting about what you stated is that anti-gun advocates argue that if guns are outlawed, deaths will decrease and thereby blame responsible gun owners for the actions of criminals.

Yes, anti-gun advocates love to take away your personal responsibility to ensure that you are safe.

However, because this is about a violent act of sex that is normally towards women, criminals are no longer solely responsible for their actions. Double standard much?

No double standard there, pro-gun advocates believe that women should be packing heat in order to ensure that they are safe.

A rapist should be put to death, either by the gun of the woman that the rapist is attempting to rape, or at the hands of the local Justice Department.

 

[genuineoriginal]

I do not believe placing sole responsibility on the criminal for their actions is an irrational train of thought.

Sure it is, you are just too irrational to understand that.

There is a difference between responsibility and justice.

Justice demands that the rapist is put to death for his crime.

Responsibility is the duty of each and every citizen in a society, even though the men and women in our society have decided they don't like being responsible for their own actions.

 

[genuineoriginal]

But but but ..... we must find something else to blame for our crime so we don't look like the only loser in all this.

God held the every one of the children of Israel responsible for the actions of one lawbreaker in their midst.

Maybe you should try to figure out why God would do that.

 

[genuineoriginal]

AMEN!

SOLE responsibility.

Which can only mean that the victim of rape bears none of the responsibility.
No woman that is ever raped shares in the responsibility of the rape.
She is guilty of nothing concerning that crime.
Nothing.
Nothing she did was responsible.

You are clearly guilty for the rape of all women, since you keep blurring the lines between guilt and responsibility.

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Guilt vs. Responsibility is Powerlessness vs. Power
. . .
The first step toward personal responsibility -- and true personal power -- is to realize that if you do not reduce the amount of emotional pollution in your environment, you will certainly contribute to it, at least indirectly.

Think of this when you're tempted to be rude to a surly waiter or to lean on the horn in response to an aggressive driver or when you want to dismiss or ignore to insult or malign someone you think deserves it: You are contributing, however indirectly, to child abuse, domestic violence, and other harmful behaviors. At the very least, you are spreading emotional pollution that cannot have anything but a negative effect on you and your environment.

Emotional pollution will continue to spread rapidly as long as we confuse guilt with responsibility and think that if we're not guilty of anything, we are not responsible. And as long as we believe that our negative regard of others is justified or that they are deserving of whatever we do in response to their negativity, we are responsible for the virulent spread of emotional pollution we are now experiencing.
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[LoneStar]

You are clearly guilty for the rape of all women, since you keep blurring the lines between guilt and responsibility.

horseshit

 

[genuineoriginal]

Good gravy.
The very act of leaving the home put me at an increased risk.

Of course, it had absolutely nothing to do with whether you were living by yourself or with the neighborhood that you chose to live in.

 

[glorydaz]

God held the every one of the children of Israel responsible for the actions of one lawbreaker in their midst.

Maybe you should try to figure out why God would do that.

The children of Israel believed in God. They had seen Him working in their midst. That is not America today. The god of this world is in our midst, but that doesn't mean individual responsibility can be ignored (no matter what society we live in).

 

[Granite]

I see the two of you don't think anyone should be responsible for doing the WRONG things.

What I see is some folks opposed to victim blaming, and some who see value in it.

 

[glorydaz]

horseshit

:rotfl: Don't mess with Texas.

 

[glorydaz]

You are clearly guilty for the rape of all women, since you keep blurring the lines between guilt and responsibility.

_____
Guilt vs. Responsibility is Powerlessness vs. Power
. . .
The first step toward personal responsibility -- and true personal power -- is to realize that if you do not reduce the amount of emotional pollution in your environment, you will certainly contribute to it, at least indirectly.

Think of this when you're tempted to be rude to a surly waiter or to lean on the horn in response to an aggressive driver or when you want to dismiss or ignore to insult or malign someone you think deserves it: You are contributing, however indirectly, to child abuse, domestic violence, and other harmful behaviors. At the very least, you are spreading emotional pollution that cannot have anything but a negative effect on you and your environment.

Emotional pollution will continue to spread rapidly as long as we confuse guilt with responsibility and think that if we're not guilty of anything, we are not responsible. And as long as we believe that our negative regard of others is justified or that they are deserving of whatever we do in response to their negativity, we are responsible for the virulent spread of emotional pollution we are now experiencing.
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Horse feathers. :nono:

 

[genuineoriginal]

The children of Israel believed in God. They had seen Him working in their midst. That is not America today. The god of this world is in our midst, but that doesn't mean individual responsibility can be ignored (no matter what society we live in).

Fair enough.

:e4e:

 

[genuineoriginal]

Horse feathers. :nono:

You do not believe there is a difference between guilt and responsibility?

 

[glorydaz]

You do not believe there is a difference between guilt and responsibility?

I'm not sure what you're asking. I do not believe believers are responsible for society's ills, because we are not citizens of this world. We are in the world but not of the world. That's why I think we need to be careful not to be naïve....thinking we have some right to go through life as if we were unfortunate victims when evil people do the very things evil people do. When we join them in their bad behavior (by stripping, etc), we should and very often do suffer for that bad behavior.