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ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
rasmussen has them neck and neck! :banana:


Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are tied at 44 percent among likely voters, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports White House Watch report published seven days ahead of the general election.

 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
A felon is someone convicted of a felony.



you'd think someone posing as a lawyer on the internet would have heard of black's :darwinsm:


The Law Dictionary Featuring Black's Law Dictionary Free Online Legal Dictionary 2nd Ed.



What is FELON?

One who has committed felony; one convicted of felony.

Law Dictionary: What is FELON? definition of FELON (Black's Law Dictionary)





two acceptable definitions, one dependent on having committed the crime, one conditional on having been convicted of the crime
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
i can just see town running down the street after his car's been stolen shouting "Stop alleged thief!" :darwinsm:
 

Town Heretic

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you'd think someone posing as a lawyer on the internet would have heard of black's
You'd think a stalker with no real working understanding of the law beyond what he's seen on tv and a desperate need to get a measure of my attention would do exactly what you keep doing.

:plain:

One who has committed a felony
Which is determined how? By adjudication, leaving the person:
one convicted of felony.
Exactly. I omit the rest, because you were already funny enough.
 

patrick jane

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A felon is someone convicted of a felony. A felon isn't someone you think should be convicted of a felony or even someone who may be convicted of a felony at some point in the future.

:e4e:
Semantics - anyone committing a felony is a felon even before conviction. Any felony committed makes the person a felon, end of story.
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
one of the statutes in question, that hillary clearly violated:


Applicable statutes and Executive Order:

1) 18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

Full copy of this Section of the 1917 Espionage Act is below. It has been claimed that Hillary did not violate the law because she didn't intend to injure the U.S. or aid a foreign power. However, that purpose is not required to convict under this Subsections (e) and (f) of this statute.

Subsections (a)-(d) and (g)(conspiracy) reference and require intent to injure the United States. The plain-language of Subsection (e) and particularly (f) are different:

The difference is this phrase that references purpose in the first three subsections; "with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, Note: "is to be used"

The language in (e) is close but omits reference to purpose to injure: "he possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation". The word intent is not there. Note: "could be used"

Finally, the offense specified at (f) requires not willful action, simply a negligent action:

(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

The differences between Sections (e) and (f) and the various other offenses covered in Section 793 comes down to the element of intent to injure the US or act to the advantage of a foreign power. These are not requisite elements of the offenses covered under these sections of the Espionage Act.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...e-federal-laws-violated-by-the-private-server

 

Town Heretic

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"help! help! my car has been allegedly stolen!" :darwinsm:

The word felony serves one purpose, has one context and follows an adjudication. No one will ever say, "Look at him felonying that guy." Now you can say something contrary to the fact a hundred different ways, but whether you admit to it or not, whether you even know it or not, the matter was settled without your consent. And that's enough attention for you for a while.

:e4e:
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
here's Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary:


Definition of felon noun from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary
felon noun
BrE /ˈfelən/
; NAmE /ˈfelən/
(especially North American English, law)

Add to my wordlist
a person who has committed a felony




nuttin there about no conviction :wave2:
 

Town Heretic

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Semantics -
Semantics is about the meaning of a word, phrase, etc. So sure, we're talking about what a word means. And its meaning isn't ambiguous. Neither is the usage. A felony isn't a particular act. Murder, theft and any number of observable acts are felonies.

anyone committing a felony is a felon even before conviction
No. Supra and prior. You're just wrong, no matter how convicted :)eek:) you are on the point.

Any felony committed makes the person a felon, end of story.
A felony is a conviction related to an act. It isn't the act. A given act against code will typically be termed an infraction, or a misdemeanor, or a felony. The designation is dependent on a number of factors. The same act may have a different designation depending on those factors.
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
Semantics is about the meaning of a word, phrase, etc.

including punctuation?

merriam webster:

Full Definition of semicolon

: a punctuation mark ; used chiefly in a coordinating function between major sentence elements (as independent clauses of a compound sentence)




town stamps foot and declares:
town said:
No. Supra and prior. You're just wrong



:mock:town, who thinks a semicolon means "and has become" at least in the following usage:


The Law Dictionary Featuring Black's Law Dictionary Free Online Legal Dictionary 2nd Ed.



What is FELON?

One who has committed felony; (aka and has become) one convicted of felony.

Law Dictionary: What is FELON? definition of FELON (Black's Law Dictionary)

 
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ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
A felony is a conviction related to an act.


ummmm

no


again, according to black's (with which you really should familiarize yourself :chuckle: )



The Law Dictionary Featuring Black's Law Dictionary Free Online Legal Dictionary 2nd Ed.


What is FELONY?

In English law. This term meant originally the state of having forfeited lands and goods to the crown upon conviction for certain offenses, and then, by transition,any offense upon conviction for which such forfeiture followed, in addition to any other punishment prescribed by law; as distinguished from a “misdemeanor,” upon conviction for which no forfeiture followed.All indictable offenses are either felonies or misdemeanors, but a material part of the distinction is taken away by St. 33 & 34 Vict c. 2″. which abolishes Wharton.In American law. The term has no very definite or precise meaning, except in some cases where it is defined by statute. For the most part, the state laws, in describing any particular offense, declare whether or not it shall be considered a felony. Apart from this, the word seems merely to imply a crime of a graver or more atrocious nature than those designated as “misdemeanors.” U. S. v. Coppersmith (C. C.) 4 Fed. 205; Bannon v. U. S., 150 U. S. 404, 15 Sup. Ct. 407, 39 L. Ed. 494; Mitchell v. State. 42 Ohio St.3S0; State v. Lincoln, 49 N. II. 409.The statutes or codes of several of the states define felony as any public offense or conviction of which the offender is liable to be sentenced to death or to imprisonment in a penitentiary or state prison.

Law Dictionary: What is FELONY? definition of FELONY (Black's Law Dictionary)




it is not "a conviction related to an act"

it is a crime


:mock:town, the pretend lawyer who slept through Legal Terminlology 101
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
town said:
"help! help! my car has allegedly been stolen by an alleged thief who has committed the (conviction related to an act) of Grand Theft Auto!"


"allegedly!"


:mock: town
 
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