Now it was the third hour and they crucified Him. (Mark 15:25 NKJV)
Date of Christ's Crucifixion & Resurrection
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Now it was the third hour and they crucified Him. (Mark 15:25 NKJV)
It is rather a biblical account. Mark EXPLICITLY said Jesus resurrected on a sabbath.
Mark 16:9 Ἀναστὰς δὲ πρωῒ πρώτῃ σαββάτου ἐφάνη πρῶτον Μαρίᾳ τῇ Μαγδαληνῇ, [h]παρ’ ἧς ἐκβεβλήκει ἑπτὰ δαιμόνια.
πρωῒ πρώτῃ σαββάτου = early morning of the chief sabbath
In the Greek Old Testament - the Septuagint - which was translated from Hebrew Scriptures by Hebrew scholars who thoroughly knew both Hebrew and koine Greek, all occurrences of the genitive sabbatou were all from shabbath, and never from shabua which is Hebrew for week. Mark EXPLICITLY recorded that Jesus resurrected on a sabbath. And Sunday, that paschal week, cannot be a sabbath.
Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. (Matthew 5:17 NKJV)
Jesus fulfilled the Law regarding the wave offering. He also fulfilled Passover for the firstborn as the Lamb of God.
I agree that Jesus came to fulfill the law. But where is the verse that hints Jesus is our wave sheaf?
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive, but each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. (1 Corinthians 15:22-23 NKJV)
I agree Christ is firsfruits, but where is the verse Jesus is wave sheaf?
Do you also agree that you have no idea what the firstfruits represent?
genuineoriginal
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That is not how the narrative is laid out.
Sequentially, the following happened:
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past Mary Magdalene . . . bought sweet spices . . .
Mark 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene . . .
The time of Jesus rising is not specifically mentioned in this passage, but the time he first appeared to Mary Magdalene is mentioned.
From the rest of the passage, it is obvious that Jesus rose before dawn on Sunday.
The Sabbath that passed was the first Sabbath of Unleavened Bread on Nisan 15.
On the 16th (Friday) they bought and prepared the spices for the body and they rested on the weekly Sabbath.
(Luke 23:56 NKJV)
Two Sabbaths passed while Jesus was entombed.
Early the first day of the week would be at the dawn of the 24 hour day. The trumpet blown from the southwest corned of Antonia marked the end of the Sabbath.
And then Jesus was resurrected as the firstborn of the dead.
The Greek Scriptures tell us otherwise:
| Mark 16: 1 Καὶ διαγενομένου τοῦ σαββάτου [a]Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνὴ καὶ Μαρία ἡ τοῦ Ἰακώβου καὶ Σαλώμη ἠγόρασαν ἀρώματα ἵνα ἐλθοῦσαι ἀλείψωσιν αὐτόν. 2 καὶ λίαν πρωῒ [c]τῇ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων ἔρχονται ἐπὶ τὸ μνημεῖον ἀνατείλαντος τοῦ ἡλίου. 9 Ἀναστὰς δὲ πρωῒ πρώτῃ σαββάτου ἐφάνη πρῶτον Μαρίᾳ τῇ Μαγδαληνῇ, [h]παρ’ ἧς ἐκβεβλήκει ἑπτὰ δαιμόνια. |
Obviously, the Greek verses speak of events transpiring on sabbath. Since Sunday is not the weekly sabbath, it can only be a ceremonial sabbath. But Sunday that paschal week, cannot and did not fall on any ceremonial sabbath.
Clearly, Jesus first appeared to Mary specifically on πρωῒ πρώτῃ σαββάτου = early morning of the chief sabbath. How could have He appeared had He not first resurrected?
Of course we know that protos can mean first as it was translated and sabbaton can mean week as it was translated.
genuineoriginal
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No, two Sabbaths would make it 8 days.
genuineoriginal
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Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene . . .
Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene early on the first day of the week, after He was risen.
You have Scriptures that σαββάτου can mean week?
The NT was originally written NOT in English. Why not try considering the Greek Scriptures as well?
Mark 16:9 Ἀναστὰς δὲ πρωῒ πρώτῃ σαββάτου ἐφάνη πρῶτον Μαρίᾳ τῇ Μαγδαληνῇ, [h]παρ’ ἧς ἐκβεβλήκει ἑπτὰ δαιμόνια.
It is impossible for Sunday to fall on a sabbath that paschal week.
genuineoriginal
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I do.
Yes, it is impossible for Sunday to ever be Saturday.
That does not change the fact that the narrative shows that Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene early on the first day of the week, not on the Sabbath.
The context dictates that σαββάτου is referring to a week, the same way it does in Luke 18:12 where the Pharisee states that he fasts twice a week.
Again, that's English as translated from Greek. Could the Pharisee not fast twice on sabbath?
12 νηστευω δις του σαββατου αποδεκατευω παντα οσα κτωμαι
Did you notice that the same Greek phrase was translated sabbath in Mark 16:1?
Mark 16:1 Καὶ διαγενομένου τοῦ σαββάτου [a]Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνὴ καὶ Μαρία ἡ τοῦ Ἰακώβου καὶ Σαλώμη ἠγόρασαν ἀρώματα ἵνα ἐλθοῦσαι ἀλείψωσιν αὐτόν.
genuineoriginal
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No, doing two days of fasting on a single day is not possible.
I can show you biblical accounts of fasting twice a day or parts of a day. Even Jesus Himself fasted forty days and forty nights. That's fasting day and night and that's twice a day fasting.