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Daniel1611

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So then can you include detailed and specific evidence to support your claims?

Yes. The NASA Facebook page where nearly every picture they show says, "artist's rendering" if you click it. If you just scroll by the post, it will say something like "new photos from New Horizons" and they show a painting. It's like they want to let you believe it's a photo but when you click it, it says it's a painting. Why not just show the photos? For this reason, I wonder how many other pictures are artists renderings and they don't tell us at all.
 

noguru

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Yes. The NASA Facebook page where nearly every picture they show says, "artist's rendering" if you click it. If you just scroll by the post, it will say something like "new photos from New Horizons" and they show a painting. It's like they want to let you believe it's a photo but when you click it, it says it's a painting. Why not just show the photos? For this reason, I wonder how many other pictures are artists renderings and they don't tell us at all.

That is not evidence for the extent of deception you claim.
 

DavisBJ

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I didn't misrepresent them. I had provided two images if two locations, and I confused the distances. I said the Bear Mountain one was 60 miles and the Philledelphia one was 40 miles when it was the opposite. That's a mistake, not lie. My point still stands, regardless
Your point does not stand. The math shows that at 42 miles, New York City should be visible from Bear Mountain, even if the earth is spherical, contrary to your claim. You were wrong, period.
 

noguru

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I didn't misrepresent them. I had provided two images if two locations, and I confused the distances. I said the Bear Mountain one was 60 miles and the Philledelphia one was 40 miles when it was the opposite. That's a mistake, not lie. My point still stands, regardless

Philly is about 40 miles from Apple Pie Hill

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Neither of your examples is 60 miles. One is 42 miles, and the other is 40 miles.

So I will ask again "Who is really being deceptive here?"
 

MichaelCadry

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While Michael might have overstated his case, and I think that is often the case for "over" zealous people, it is now a good thing that at least he is honest, courageous and admits the level of investigation he has employed to this point. I certainly wish he were more thorough and rigorous as well as capable of employing some self-discipline in regard to methodology. But we all have to learn to walk before we can run.


Good Morning, noguru,

Hey Buddy!! Rise and shine! How are you doing today? It is just getting light outside. Early a.m. Yes, I definitely can have TONS of zeal!! Thanks for believing that I'm honest. I really am, of course. I never did find out which city you live in in FL. Is it Coral Gables? Fort Myers? You probably live close to Eeset. She lives on one of the islands in the Keys. Cool, eh? Well, I have to keep it sort of short today and get to bed soon.

Praise God!! Much Love, In Christ!!!

Michael

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MichaelCadry

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Michael, what you just posted is amazing. In summary, you seem to be admitting (now – years after the fact) that maybe you were actually visited by a “lying spirit” instead of a divine messenger. Your spiritual discernment is so poor that under the guise of religion you may have actually been doing Satan’s work. This radical redirection is because of the arguments from a YEC apologist – not a divine apparition (whether evil or good), but just a fellow who is rather effective at defending his view of what scripture says.

Maybe indeed 6days is right. But it behooves you, Michael, to take as long as necessary to really examine this whole issue in a depth that clearly you have not done before. If I had just gone through the theological about-face you are admitting to, and felt deeply about these things, I would be concerned not only about my own lack of qualifications to guide others, but about the numerous souls that I must have led astray over the past few decades of preaching and publishing false doctrines.

I do think this might give you a primo way of backing off from the fulfillment of your end-of-year rapture prediction. I can’t fathom that God would use someone who has been (unknowingly) a minion of Satan for decades as one of the two witnesses to usher in the Second Coming. That whole imminent rapture shtick is just as likely to be another evil delusion as was the multiple creations and extinctions fable.

If the messengers you saw were “lying spirits” then that is 40 years of false testimony.

Trying to have your cake and eat it too? If “there were men and women on Earth before our Adam and Eve”, then what does that do to your newly-adopted YEC stance? What you are really saying to 6days is that you will pretend to be a YEC for now, but just maybe 6days is actually the one that has it wrong after all.

Up until your recent conversion to YEC, your claim was that you carried a message from God that was different from the written one that you now have signed on to. Don’t blame me for (as it says it your Holy Book) being driven to and fro by every wind of doctrine and tossed.

Pascal’s Wager has been discussed before in this thread. But for me, there is a much more fundamental reason for me to not follow your advice. I expressed this to you a month or two ago – if I accepted Christ and professed a belief in God, I would thereby dishonor God by lying to him, I would be lying to you, to my family and friends, and most importantly, to myself. Would God rather I pretend a belief that is insincere, or would He prefer that I live an upright life unstained by that fake belief?


Dear DavisBJ,

Why are you being unpleasant? Thanks for posting. I am not suggesting Pascal's Wager. I'm suggesting REAL Heartfelt Belief in God. Why make a big mistake right now. There goes your soul? Is that what you want?? Well, go for it. I'm past trying to talk sense into you. You can only change if and when You want to.

DavisBJ, I want to get this clear to you. It doesn't mean through out the whole bag. Everyone makes mistakes. I don't do it often. But I'm not perfect like you. Anyway, my old stance about an Adam before our own Adam may be true after all. But I tend to doubt it. At least you know now that the Lord will decide what He wants us to know. You'll find out when He wants you to, just like everyone else.

What you must understand is that, months ago I had doubts about Adam being our first and only Adam. I mean the Bible does say, "And He called 'their' name Adam in the day 'they' were created." {See Rev. 5:2KJV}. That's why I was touched by 6days words. So there's no for sure yet anyway, except belief by FAITH!! But I know that you do not understand Faith or have any. Well, listen, I don't always want to be disagreeing with you all of the time. On a lighter note, Jesus is returning soon. Also, I'm still searching for some answers. I still have a long way to go. I don't even understand black holes.

Well, DavisBJ, I must make it short, but will chat longer soon. Maybe I should just go to bed now and answer posts later. I will think about it. I've been up all night, Dave. It is now past 6a.m. here. I'm on MST. Cool, eh?! Well, don't forget that you are loved!!! BTW, you can read an updated edition of my book on the Internet for Free. The only chapters that changed were Chapter One and Chapters 9-12. As far as I know, the rest of it is the same. Anyway, go to: www.jesusreturningverysoon.com. Once there, on the left it has the words "Book Copy." Left-click on that and then click on "SKU-text2.pdf" and the Title Pages for my book will come up. The first two pages are blank, for autographs and notes. The 3rd page is the Title Page. The book is short. 88 pages on purpose. Anyway, you can scroll through the pages of the book using your up and down arrow cursor keys. You can also download it to your computer or printer, and have a copy for yourself. It is the Seventh Edition. With each Edition, I've weeded out and changed my book. It's not like I'm adding a book to the Bible.

You know, maybe I should send you an autographed copy and some Proof Pages as a matter of fact. You seem to be mentally able to handle it all, so you would be a good candidate for a copy. You'd have to PM me with a viable mailing address. I feel that the Proof Pages would help you out a lot because you seem to be a pretty studious individual who could really learn some things. Okay, I'll get going for now. PM me. I'm going to Friend you, if I haven't already.

Have An Excellent Day!! Make It Count!!

Michael

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MichaelCadry

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Michael, what you just posted is amazing. In summary, you seem to be admitting (now – years after the fact) that maybe you were actually visited by a “lying spirit” instead of a divine messenger. Your spiritual discernment is so poor that under the guise of religion you may have actually been doing Satan’s work. This radical redirection is because of the arguments from a YEC apologist – not a divine apparition (whether evil or good), but just a fellow who is rather effective at defending his view of what scripture says.

Dear DavisBJ,

It only happened once. Get with it. Being visited by a lying spirit is usually allowed by God to strengthen one's faith. The lying spirit was maybe two sentences falsely spoken to me by yours' truly--Satan. Just as he deceived Eve, it was done only in a few short sentences. What about the rest of my life for some 40 years of learning from the Lord and angels, and in visions and visits by the Holy Ghost? One brief moment I was perhaps wrong about a couple of sentences out of the whole testimony I have to offer is not so shabby at all. Have you ever made a mistake Davis? Even Jesus was tempted and spoken to by Satan, so is it that hard to believe that I was misled by the devil once. Jesus held His own and did not get deceived. I have not been deceived much throughout my entire testimony. I'm not Jesus. I'm only human. That's all I wanted to say so far.

Maybe indeed 6days is right. But it behooves you, Michael, to take as long as necessary to really examine this whole issue in a depth that clearly you have not done before. If I had just gone through the theological about-face you are admitting to, and felt deeply about these things, I would be concerned not only about my own lack of qualifications to guide others, but about the numerous souls that I must have led astray over the past few decades of preaching and publishing false doctrines.
DavisBJ, I was possibly wrong about what I initially said. Enough is enough. I have not led numerous souls astray when their beliefs and Faith, and love for God. They know about much more truth of that matter. If they want to believe Creationism or Evolutionism, that is their choice. I have not deceived people by being wrong about one paragraph or less in the short book that I've written. The new 7th Edition is just as good and written in a YEC manner.

I do think this might give you a primo way of backing off from the fulfillment of your end-of-year rapture prediction. I can’t fathom that God would use someone who has been (unknowingly) a minion of Satan for decades as one of the two witnesses to usher in the Second Coming. That whole imminent rapture shtick is just as likely to be another evil delusion as was the multiple creations and extinctions fable.

If the messengers you saw were “lying spirits” then that is 40 years of false testimony.

Trying to have your cake and eat it too? If “there were men and women on Earth before our Adam and Eve”, then what does that do to your newly-adopted YEC stance? What you are really saying to 6days is that you will pretend to be a YEC for now, but just maybe 6days is actually the one that has it wrong after all.

Up until your recent conversion to YEC, your claim was that you carried a message from God that was different from the written one that you now have signed on to. Don’t blame me for (as it says it your Holy Book) being driven to and fro by every wind of doctrine and tossed.

Pascal’s Wager has been discussed before in this thread. But for me, there is a much more fundamental reason for me to not follow your advice. I expressed this to you a month or two ago – if I accepted Christ and professed a belief in God, I would thereby dishonor God by lying to him, I would be lying to you, to my family and friends, and most importantly, to myself. Would God rather I pretend a belief that is insincere, or would He prefer that I live an upright life unstained by that fake belief?

No, I'm not looking for any 'primo' way out of this Autumn. And no, I didn't see any messengers with lying spirits. You are too funny. You just don't know how it works. One mistake is out of 40 plus years of other True experiences. I see you putting a lot of what I've said, out of context and examined by you, and your errant possibilities. You think you are right about everything spiritual. You don't even know how to worship or love your own Creator and you're ragging on me. You are wrong a lot more times than myself. You don't trust an angel, you're all into yourself instead of others, it seems. Pull out the plank in your own eye before you attempt to pull out the splinter in your fellow man's eye. Read the Bible. If you care about lying to God, that is good.

Michael

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MichaelCadry

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Dear Alwight,

How are you doing lately? I haven't heard from you in a couple days. God knows I've been keepin' busy!! I just got done eating Chicken Paprika with fluffy dumplings and excellent gravy! Yuuummmm!! I am going to have pudding for desert. How's your weather going over there? We had 104 degrees today! Eeeeekk! It's supposed to be 110 this coming Friday, on which I have a Dental appt., so I will have to go out in the oven. Thank God my car has A/C. The A/C has not been working the best though, so I'm going to see what is going on with it, in case it needs some more refrigerant. It'll be easy to fix. I will check it and if there's any problem, I will take it back into the repair shop where they put a new hose on for me. They were supposed to evacuate the refrigerant and put it back in. It's just not getting as cold as I'd like it to, but maybe I'm expecting more than it gives, considering how old it is. A 2001 Ford Escort ZX2. Power everything. Wonderful car! It's champagne colored. Brown, silver and gray mix. Distinct. Four-cyl. Dual overhead cam. Two-door. {Wish it was a 4-door}. I've got to see about getting a Dental Implant for one tooth. I think it costs $2,000 or so. C what happens! Got to go there on Fri. Well, this is getting lengthy. I will PM you in a bit!!

To A Very Good Friend,

Michael

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MichaelCadry

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Dear Alwight,

What are you doing up this late? Is it time for bed there? I don't know the time difference. It's 6:30pm here. Well, just wondering. Will chat with you soon.

Cheerio, Mate,

Michael
 

MichaelCadry

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Dear Hedshaker,

It's been a while. How are you doing lately? Where have you been? It was 107 degrees today. We get hot here. We're in the desert and mountains surround us, so we are called the 'Valley.' Oh, I'm from Phoenix, AZ USA. Where do you live at? Are you in London? Too expensive there, I feel. Are you near Liverpool? I hope there is reasonable rent there. I am paying $250 plus half utilities where I'm at. I also have to share some pool costs, like the chlorine, algaecide, etc. It uses a lot of water too, but that's in the water bills, which I pay half of. Do you have a car, Hedshaker? Hope so. What kind is it? Is creating music a hobby or is it your job? I used to have a job which paid $30/nite singing and playing guitar in a nice lounge. Back then, that was a lot of money, and I didn't have to share it with any band members, cause it was a solo act. I had such stage fright, that I quit doing it. Oh well, I'd best get going. Much Love!!

Have an excellent week!!

Michael

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MichaelCadry

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Dear DavisBJ,

I want to apologize for some of the words I said in my posts to you. I did change some of the posts already, that I thought were false. If you want to be atheist or agnostic, that is your choice. Anyway, I am very sorry for some of the things I posted. Hope to hear from you soon. I'm still going to use different fonts and colors, because that's what I used to do for a living for many years. That's why I know many fonts and colors, and all. Please let me know if you accept my apology, Buddy!!

Warm Wishes,

Michael
 

DavisBJ

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Dear DavisBJ,

I want to apologize for some of the words I said in my posts to you. I did change some of the posts already, that I thought were false. If you want to be atheist or agnostic, that is your choice. Anyway, I am very sorry for some of the things I posted. Hope to hear from you soon. I'm still going to use different fonts and colors, because that's what I used to do for a living for many years. That's why I know many fonts and colors, and all. Please let me know if you accept my apology, Buddy!!

Warm Wishes,

Michael
Michael, Don’t fret over using direct language with me. My concern is far less with how you phrase your responses, than with the clear intent to almost trivialize what I see as major issues in your revisionist doctrines.

I am a bit busy right now here in the land of Geishas and sushi, but I hope to have more time in a few days.
 

alwight

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Dear alwight,

A wave. I know something must be wrong. Did you see Post #10629 on this page for you? I will post to you later 2nite. I do have to get going and figure you do too.

Michael
Hi Michael, Oh dear, I wasn't waving you off, it was only meant as a friendly wave because I was tired and in bed, not because you've done anything wrong. Clearly I didn't think it through, sorry about that, but that's all it was, honestly. :thumb:
 

alwight

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Dear Alwight,

How are you doing lately? I haven't heard from you in a couple days.
Hi Michael, but that's not quite true, I did return your PM quite recently.

God knows I've been keepin' busy!! I just got done eating Chicken Paprika with fluffy dumplings and excellent gravy! Yuuummmm!! I am going to have pudding for desert. How's your weather going over there? We had 104 degrees today! Eeeeekk! It's supposed to be 110 this coming Friday, on which I have a Dental appt., so I will have to go out in the oven. Thank God my car has A/C. The A/C has not been working the best though, so I'm going to see what is going on with it, in case it needs some more refrigerant. It'll be easy to fix. I will check it and if there's any problem, I will take it back into the repair shop where they put a new hose on for me. They were supposed to evacuate the refrigerant and put it back in. It's just not getting as cold as I'd like it to, but maybe I'm expecting more than it gives, considering how old it is. A 2001 Ford Escort ZX2. Power everything. Wonderful car! It's champagne colored. Brown, silver and gray mix. Distinct. Four-cyl. Dual overhead cam. Two-door. {Wish it was a 4-door}. I've got to see about getting a Dental Implant for one tooth. I think it costs $2,000 or so. C what happens! Got to go there on Fri. Well, this is getting lengthy. I will PM you in a bit!!
It's got quite cool here recently so a/c isn't really a top priority atm.

The thing is Michael that this particular thread, although started by you, isn't really supposed to be about general chit chat, which is why I generally prefer to remain on topic and not to clog it up with gossip. If this topic has had it's time then let's move on. :)

To A Very Good Friend,

Michael

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I like to think that if I have something to say Michael I will say it, and when I don't, I won't.
I don't mind if I upset someone by what I say if I meant it, but here I seem risk upsetting you inadvertently when I really didn't mean to.
I realise that in many cases a wave is often meant as a brush off but that wasn't the case here, I just needed to get to sleep. I'm sorry if I upset you.
But admit it you do seem to get the wrong end of the stick occasionally, right? ;)
 

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Dear alwight,

Al, I will write you later today. I am ready to drop here and need to go to bed. It is only 7:30 a.m. or so, and I have to get some sleep. I truly do understand now, alwight!! Thanks so much!!

The Best Of Wishes!!!

Michael
 

MichaelCadry

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Hi Michael, but that's not quite true, I did return your PM quite recently.

It's got quite cool here recently so a/c isn't really a top priority atm.

The thing is Michael that this particular thread, although started by you, isn't really supposed to be about general chit chat, which is why I generally prefer to remain on topic and not to clog it up with gossip. If this topic has had it's time then let's move on. :)

Dear alwight,

It must have been a different PM or else I'm just mistaken. I must admit Al, that I do chit chat on this thread, but I can't help myself. There is a time for chit chat. I'm not clogging up the thread. Otherwise, I stay on topic. Just last weekend this post was hopping with people staying on topic. So this topic hasn't had it's time and there's no reason to move on until we decide whether God created this Universe, Earth, Man, and Animals, and Rested, etc. with the space of one week. It is written in our Holy Book, and the book is the biggest Best Seller of all time. So there are plenty of people who believe. They just aren't on this website. But many of them believe in One Creator and a six day work week. It still goes to show you that atheists are outnumbered by creationists 100-1, more or less. There are tons more Bible believers. It may even be 1,000-1 one or higher. I do not have the specifics. This post here is not chit chat, is it? Alwight, I think you're the best. You taught me how to make boxes, but I still don't know how to do it as far as multiple boxes. You were very patient with me and it helped me a thousandfold. I think I learned fonts and colors by going to one of Mark Seasigh's posts, and seeing how he did it. I will call him this weekend.

I like to think that if I have something to say Michael I will say it, and when I don't, I won't.
I don't mind if I upset someone by what I say if I meant it, but here I seem risk upsetting you inadvertently when I really didn't mean to.
I realise that in many cases a wave is often meant as a brush off but that wasn't the case here, I just needed to get to sleep. I'm sorry if I upset you.
But admit it you do seem to get the wrong end of the stick occasionally, right? ;)

Al, it's all okay. Now that I realize that sometimes you leave a waving hand, I have no worries. It's just that no one has ever done that to me, so I was alarmed. I also have learned, so that is good. I will talk with you later. I was going to say "I will chat with you later," but I deferred. Thanks for always being there!!

Much Love From God,

Michael

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