Calvinism: You Must Already be Saved to Get Saved?

Robert Pate

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You can't get saved without repentance. You are not washed with his blood for just believing. We are washed with his bloods for the sins we repent of doing.

Repentance does not save. Jesus said that, "Whosoever that believes in him should not perish" John 3:16.
You don't believe Paul. You don't believe John and now you don't believe what Jesus says.
 

Nanja

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Repentance does not save. Jesus said that, "Whosoever that believes in him should not perish" John 3:16.
You don't believe Paul. You don't believe John and now you don't believe what Jesus says.

The only Believing that pleases God is a fruit and gift of the Spirit given in New Birth Gal. 5:22; Eph. 2:8; John 3:27!

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Rom. 9:23
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
 

God's Truth

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Repentance does not save. Jesus said that, "Whosoever that believes in him should not perish" John 3:16.
You don't believe Paul. You don't believe John and now you don't believe what Jesus says.

Repent or perish.

What does that mean?

Does it mean you will not perish/die, if you repent?
 

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Robert Pate

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Repent or perish.

What does that mean?

Does it mean you will not perish/die, if you repent?


Before anyone can repent they must have the Holy Spirit. It is the work of the Holy Spirit that brings repentance. The Holy Spirit is only given to those who believe the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.
 
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beloved57

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Trolls are folklore. They don't exist.

What does exist are Gospel denying Calvinist that think that they have been predestinated.

You deny the Saving death of Christ. You teach that sinners Christ died for are still lost! That is unbelief and denial of the Gospel.
 

Robert Pate

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Gal 3:2 is not your statement.

"This only would I learn of you, Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

No hearing of faith, no Spirit, no Spirit, no salvation.
 

God's Truth

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Before anyone can repent they must have the Holy Spirit. It is the work of the Holy Spirit that brings repentance. The Holy Spirit is only given to those who believe the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.

Paul was speaking to the Galatian and REBUKING them for being talked into the ceremonial works of the law, i.e. circumcision and the observance of special days.

Paul was NOT rebuking them for obeying Jesus too much.
 

beloved57

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"This only would I learn of you, Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

No hearing of faith, no Spirit, no Spirit, no salvation.

You don't even believe that Christ death saved them He died for! So you don't have the Spirit of God. The Spirit testifies of the Saving death of Christ which you don't believe!
 

Robert Pate

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You don't even believe that Christ death saved them He died for! So you don't have the Spirit of God. The Spirit testifies of the Saving death of Christ which you don't believe!

The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14, Hebrews 2:9. Plus many other scriptures.

You either think that there is something wrong with the Bible, or you just want to go to hell.
 

Epoisses

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So again you teach that sinners Christ tasted death for are still lost!

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For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. 2Pet. 2:20-22

Nope, Peter says it.
 
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