Calvinism and the word "WORLD"

[Epoisses]

So why does Jesus teach that His sheep believe, and that those who do not believe, do not believe because they are not His sheep? You appear to be twisting scripture.

John10:26-27 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

There were no sheep and goats on the cross which you can never seem to wrap your mind around. It was one sacrifice for all sin for all time.

 

[Robert Pate]

There were no sheep and goats on the cross which you can never seem to wrap your mind around. It was one sacrifice for all sin for all time.

I think they believe that God created sheep and the devil created goats.

 

[Eagles Wings]

I think they believe that God created sheep and the devil created goats.

I don't joke about Holy God.

 

[Robert Pate]

I don't joke about Holy God.

I don't either. Some Calvinist believe that Eve had sex with the serpent and apparently produced goats.

 

[Epoisses]

I don't either. Some Calvinist believe that Eve had sex with the serpent and apparently produced goats.

LOL

 

[Eagles Wings]

I don't either. Some Calvinist believe that Eve had sex with the serpent and apparently produced goats.

Not biblical.

 

[God's Truth]

Not biblical.

It is not biblical either that God saves unbelievers.

 

[God's Truth]

So why does Jesus teach that His sheep believe, and that those who do not believe, do not believe because they are not His sheep? You appear to be twisting scripture.

Because Jesus came first for those who were already saved.

 

[God's Truth]

Of course. That's all that natural men without the Spirit desire to do, so of course they resist the Spirit. It's always interesting to look at context of verses like Acts7:51:

Acts6:8-10 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people. Then there arose some from what is called the Synagogue of the Freedmen (Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia), disputing with Stephen. And they were NOT able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit by which he spoke.

It was irresistible...to save those specifically that God had purposed to save – every single one that He had appointed to eternal life beforehand – He again accomplished what He pleased.

Again, Jesus came for those who were already saved, they were God's, and God gave them to Jesus. They were God's and they now had to go through Jesus to remain God's.

 

[God's Truth]

Depraved people in their natural state find that infuriating – especially when it is their proselytes who are turning away from them towards the Truth. (You made the *assumption* that God was trying but failing to save those who were persecuting Stephen, but that is not actually in there.) So in Acts7:51, Stephen was just calling back to Jesus' words in Matt23.

Matt23 Then Jesus spoke...2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees...4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do to be seen by men...13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, *nor do you allow those who are entering to go in*...15
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

...31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather YOUR CHILDREN together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate...

Again, Jesus came for those who were already saved.

God cut off some Jews before Jesus started his earthly ministry.
Those who were not cut off had to go through Jesus.
Those cut off were hardened so that they could not be saved while Jesus walked the earth, only those already saved.

 

[God's Truth]

There were no sheep and goats on the cross which you can never seem to wrap your mind around. It was one sacrifice for all sin for all time.

He didn't ask that. Why not try to learn something?

 

[God's Truth]

I bet you are also the sort to “fix” Matt23:37 also by changing it to: “How often I wanted to gather (you) together...but you were not willing!” so that it would mean that Jesus was trying to gather the Temple leaders but they were resisting Him.

Jesus is condemning the Temple leadership for failing to do their job and as a result, He ordained the destruction of the Temple. But make no mistake, despite the arrogant disobedience of the religious leaders, their “children” whom they were responsible to teach – such as the “tax collectors and prostitutes” - were entering the kingdom of God ahead of them. (Matt21:31) Jesus was not failing to bring His sheep safely in.

Those are the people who already belonged to God. They repented of their sins, but the Pharisees and teachers of the law did not.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

I don't either. Some Calvinist believe that Eve had sex with the serpent and apparently produced goats.

Name them. This is nonsense.

AMR

 

[Robert Pate]

Name them. This is nonsense.

AMR

Most Calvinist are to ashamed to admit that this is what they believe. How else can one become a Goat?

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Most Calvinist are to ashamed to admit that this is what they believe. How else can one become a Goat?

In other words, your post was but a puerile violation of the ninth commandment.
Got it. Try to use your God-given free time as a wise steward, Robert, avoiding sin as you do so.

AMR

 

[Eagles Wings]

Name them. This is nonsense.

AMR

He's lost even more credibility, if that's possible.

 

[Robert Pate]

In other words, your post was but a puerile violation of the ninth commandment.
Got it. Try to use your God-given free time as a wise steward, Robert, avoiding sin as you do so.

AMR

Maybe you can explain how people become goats? Maybe I should start a thread on... "Does God Create Goats?"

 

[Tambora]

It is not biblical either that God saves unbelievers.

Hebrews 8:12 KJV
(12) For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

He's lost even more credibility, if that's possible.

Robert can slide around moderation by hanging out in the Religion forum and posting this sort of nonsense. He is fully aware that such false witness would not be tolerated in the ECT forum. Such is exactly how slippery he has become.

AMR

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Maybe you can explain how people become goats? Maybe I should start a thread on... "Does God Create Goats?"

You do not start threads, Robert. You post articles. You blog. Starting a thread assumes you actually are willing and able to stand still and substantively defend your posts. You are not willing, nor are you able. :AMR:

AMR