God_Is_Truth
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Hilston said:
What are you saying here? That before you had faith in God, you were saved? If so, how do you know you are saved? What confirms it?
ARCHIVE: Will You Be Celebrating Christmas?
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What are you saying here? That before you had faith in God, you were saved? If so, how do you know you are saved? What confirms it?
God_Is_Truth said:
I wouldnt take it that far, and of course I agree with you and Paul on giving thanks.
I think church meeting on Sunday is a fair analogy. At least typically, Christians pray, fellowship, and praise/worship (in the singing sense) more on Sunday. I don't see that that diminishes what we do the rest of the week. Most Christians would cringe though if you told them Sunday was a "special religious" day. Does that work?
God_Is_Truth
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Vaquero45 said:I wouldnt take it that far, and of course I agree with you and Paul on giving thanks.
That's an interesting comparison. I don't look at it that way really. The difference between sunday (or saturday for me) worship and the rest of the week is that sunday is done together, collectively. I view it as the coming together and manifestation of the worship and praise that is done the rest of the week.
I think it would be tough to extend that idea to christmas, since most people don't celebrate it collectively outside of their family. What do you think?
God_Is_Truth said:
I usually go to church on Saturday night also, so you know what I meant there. We do have a service at church on Christmas Eve, so we do actually celebrate it collectively also.
I agree that Christmas is a different can of worms than Sunday Service in many ways. Christmas has more issues to pick on. The pagan stuff, materialistic stuff, Santa Claus... (the list goes on...) Again, the big issue to me is that we don't make Christmas into a "rule", or imagine that we gain (or lose) points with God somehow, and improve on Grace. I suppose some people could take it too seriously and go that direction. I sure don't see it in myself. I look at it as eating pork and keeping the sabbath. Do or do not, depending on your personal view, but dont try to attach it to the Gospel either way. If you make it a law for yourself, that's when Paul gets mad.
God_Is_Truth
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Vaguero,
I definitely agree with you about the rule idea. Here's a question though, why do we only celebrate christmas once a year? We meet for church every week, yet christmas is only once a year (or one month out of the year, depending on your view). Why do we make Christmas something different from what we do every week?
I definitely agree with you about the rule idea. Here's a question though, why do we only celebrate christmas once a year? We meet for church every week, yet christmas is only once a year (or one month out of the year, depending on your view
). Why do we make Christmas something different from what we do every week?
God_Is_Truth said:Vaguero,
I definitely agree with you about the rule idea. Here's a question though, why do we only celebrate christmas once a year? We meet for church every week, yet christmas is only once a year (or one month out of the year, depending on your view
Well... that might be a good question for probably most of the people who call themselves Christian. I am always thankful for the gift of Jesus, His sacrifice, and what He accomplished for us and thereby offers us thru faith. (as I'm sure you and all other real Christians are) Maybe "Christmas" should be every day?
If I read you right, I do not disagree with your point here.
Songs, hymns and spiritual songs ...
Songs, hymns and spiritual songs ...
Hi Sozo,
No Holy Nights
(To the tune of “Oh Holy Night”, original words by Chappeau de Roquemaure, translated by John S. Dwight)
i. BODY: DAY OF CHRIST
No “holy nights”, the Body is preparing,
the Spirit drives us fully to learn.
Each “holy night”, the Body is avoiding,
now standing fast, our Law to discern.
Made ritu’l free by Christ’s perfect Headship,
and Spirit dwelt to be the Father’s shrine.
Rise in the Cloud!
With Christ, jointly ascending,
upon the Throne, to sit forevermore,
upon the Throne, to sit forevermore.
ii. ISRAEL: DAY OF THE LORD
Unholy night, the wagons are unloading,
it is the night of Elect Jacob’s birth.
Born in a day, for Zion is travailing,
God’s will is done in the heav’ns and the earth.
The wheat and tares are growing up together,
and in the cleft His sickle is prepared.
Thrust! And reap!
Secure the promised bound’ries!
Arise and shine, arise, thy Light is come.
Arise and shine, arise, thy Light is come.
iii. GENTILES: DAY OF GOD
Each ancient night, the stars are brightly shining,
describing all of the dear Savior’s birth.
Night after night, and sign after sign,
their voice has gone throughout all the earth.
From Virgo round to Leo, He’s performing,
for yonder dawn the glorious Gentile morns.
Wait! And believe!
Oh hear the Lion roaring.
Rise up, rejoice, His wrath has now turned back.
Rise up, rejoice, His wrath has now turned back.
iv. CHRIST: GOD ALL IN ALL
Pre-night of nights, the Logos is abiding,
within the Father’s bosom, He dwells.
Ancient of Days, the Father’s will expressing,
each diff'rent grace and salvation, He tells.
The Body’s Head, and Israel’s Priest-Messiah,
the Gentiles’ Savior, that God be all in all.
Fall on your knees!
To God the Father’s glory,
confess His Name, that Name above all names,
confess His Name, that Name above all names.
Songs, hymns and spiritual songs ...
Hi Sozo,
Yes. Why do you ask? I pasted one of our songs below:Sozo said:
No Holy Nights
(To the tune of “Oh Holy Night”, original words by Chappeau de Roquemaure, translated by John S. Dwight)
i. BODY: DAY OF CHRIST
No “holy nights”, the Body is preparing,
the Spirit drives us fully to learn.
Each “holy night”, the Body is avoiding,
now standing fast, our Law to discern.
Made ritu’l free by Christ’s perfect Headship,
and Spirit dwelt to be the Father’s shrine.
Rise in the Cloud!
With Christ, jointly ascending,
upon the Throne, to sit forevermore,
upon the Throne, to sit forevermore.
ii. ISRAEL: DAY OF THE LORD
Unholy night, the wagons are unloading,
it is the night of Elect Jacob’s birth.
Born in a day, for Zion is travailing,
God’s will is done in the heav’ns and the earth.
The wheat and tares are growing up together,
and in the cleft His sickle is prepared.
Thrust! And reap!
Secure the promised bound’ries!
Arise and shine, arise, thy Light is come.
Arise and shine, arise, thy Light is come.
iii. GENTILES: DAY OF GOD
Each ancient night, the stars are brightly shining,
describing all of the dear Savior’s birth.
Night after night, and sign after sign,
their voice has gone throughout all the earth.
From Virgo round to Leo, He’s performing,
for yonder dawn the glorious Gentile morns.
Wait! And believe!
Oh hear the Lion roaring.
Rise up, rejoice, His wrath has now turned back.
Rise up, rejoice, His wrath has now turned back.
iv. CHRIST: GOD ALL IN ALL
Pre-night of nights, the Logos is abiding,
within the Father’s bosom, He dwells.
Ancient of Days, the Father’s will expressing,
each diff'rent grace and salvation, He tells.
The Body’s Head, and Israel’s Priest-Messiah,
the Gentiles’ Savior, that God be all in all.
Fall on your knees!
To God the Father’s glory,
confess His Name, that Name above all names,
confess His Name, that Name above all names.
Agape4Robin
Member
Why is the zodiac incorporated into this song?
Sozo
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Hilston said:
That's nice. I'll bet it took you a great deal of time to write it, and I wish I could say that I understand what it is you are trying to say, but I don't. I suppose if I read it slower, or all of it, I might get it.
Anyway, I'm trying to understand your reasons for believing that it is wrong to celebrate Christmas, and I was thinking that you probably do not sing songs of worship or praise in church because it is a form of religion. Is that true?
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Reply to Agape4Robin and Sozo
Agape4Robin writes:
Job 38:32 Canst thou bring forth the Zodiac in it season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
In Psalm 19, the Zodiac is vividly described:
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
Also, there are more details available here: http://www.companionbiblecondensed.com/AP/ap12.pdf
http://www.tgfonline.org/TGF/topical/letter.htm
Have a look at the link and let me know if you want more information. There are more in-depth studies available.
Thanks for your question.
Jim
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Agape4Robin writes:
Because the Zodiac is the message of the Gospel and of Messiah communicated via the constellations. The Scriptures make several references to the Zodiac.Agape4Robin said:
Job 38:32 Canst thou bring forth the Zodiac in it season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
In Psalm 19, the Zodiac is vividly described:
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
Also, there are more details available here: http://www.companionbiblecondensed.com/AP/ap12.pdf
Those who attend our church or are accustomed to the biblical teachings regarding the distinctive households of God's elect and the specific laws that attend them would understand. There are studies available at our website that provide details of these teachings for anyone who is interested.Sozo said:
Here's a link that will give you a brief overview:Sozo said:
http://www.tgfonline.org/TGF/topical/letter.htm
I'm not against religion. I'm a religious person. The Bible teaches true and pure religion. I'm really not sure where you get the idea that I'm against religion, or that singing songs is a form of religion that is to be eschewed.Sozo said:
Have a look at the link and let me know if you want more information. There are more in-depth studies available.
Thanks for your question.
Jim
sentientsynth
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:shocked: Oh no! Not new ideas!!
Jim,
My original questions of the Zodiac have been cleared up by Mr. Bullinger in his book The Witness of the Stars. I understand you're experiencing technical difficulties. Hope you're able to get them cleared up without much difficulty.
On another note, what of non-religious state-mandated holidays, like Martin Luther King Jr. Day? Should Christians also distance themselves from these holidays? Is such also angel-worship, or perhaps idolatry?
Thanks for the clarity,
SS
Jim,
My original questions of the Zodiac have been cleared up by Mr. Bullinger in his book The Witness of the Stars. I understand you're experiencing technical difficulties. Hope you're able to get them cleared up without much difficulty.
On another note, what of non-religious state-mandated holidays, like Martin Luther King Jr. Day? Should Christians also distance themselves from these holidays? Is such also angel-worship, or perhaps idolatry?
Thanks for the clarity,
SS
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If I give up Christmas, what do I do with all the loot I got from my kids? (I mean, there is some really neat stuff there!)koban said:Jim's an overeducated idiot whose impression of his own cognitive ablilties knows no bounds.
