ECT According to Paul he was not the only one that preached the MYSTERY.

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Truster

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God's Truth said:
Philip even taught the eunuch about Jesus going to the slaughter.

That is teaching Jesus died for us.

Don't you know what the blood of a lamb was for?
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You might know that the shedding of innocent blood was necessary, but you have never experienced the effect of the precious blood that was shed.

You are nothing, but a fraud, who has tantrums in the face of truth.

Poor, deluded, self justifying, heretic.
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
As far as you are concerned the whole Bible is immaterial if it contradicts you man-made ideas.

Anyone with the slightest degree of spiritual discernment can understand that the gospel which the twelve preached at Luke 9:6 was not the same gospel which Paul preached that declares that Christ died for our sins. That is because at the time the twelve preached that gospel they didn't even know that the Lord was going to die!

This is so simple but for some reason it is way above your head and you continue to insist that there was only one gospel!
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There is no proof of 'they didn't know he was going to die.' There is proof that they became deniers. The desertion of Jn 6 is written as though they were being reminded of the raw reality of it, not of hearing about it for the first time. Because he had already said his 'temple' would be destroyed and raised in 3 days, in John. Besides the Lamb theme.

Jerry's penchant for proof texts makes his cards crumble here. He thinks he can batter us with Lk 18, when that is their denial, if not God's sovereign hiding it from them because they might intervene or try to prevent it from happening. Meaning: that they knew too well already that he was going to die, and didn't want that to happen.

This makes Lk 9 (taking up the cross) more of a play on words than ever. They have to embrace what they already know, not deny it. (This kind of denial is a different sense than the change of will in v23; I referring to 'blocking' it out of your mind in spite of what you know, of suppression like Rom 1).

The main theologians of the Reformation realized that among the basic tools of good interp was this one:

the gospel accounts must be interpreted by the apostle's letters

Otherwise, there are any number of extraneous views you could adopt along the way out of stray lines in them (in the gospel accounts) which are not the view that Christ wanted us to have as taught in the 40 day seminar.
 
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The blessing of Lk 7:23 is there because it would be very easy to get sidetracked by all the signs and wonders of Jesus (v21). The 'falling away' is thinking he was ONLY there to do signs and wonders, rather than the Gospel. V22 says he was doing what Isaiah had mentioned--preaching the Gospel to the poor, and there is no record that he was preaching a social gospel or handing out money.

In addition Luke regularly mentions the Gospel in 3:18 and 4:18 and 4:43. While healings or power over spirits was news (4:37) it was not the Gospel. The Gospel is found in the 'remarkable' healing where it is linked to a healing to prove his anointing, 5:24.' He is here to proclaim the time of God's grace, 4:19 (Is 61, cp 2 Cor 6:1, repeated).

Once again, he wasn't there to provide fish to all, even though that was a sign. he was there to show them how to catch men, 5:9.

They listeners are 'blessed if they do not fall away on account of me' means on account of all the signs and wonders. The disciples would be tested on that when he defined who he was in ch 9.

The same test is found in 9:43+. He does something about which the crowd marvels: they were all amazed at the greatness of God. But notice the next line: 'while they were marveling...' In other words, he had to do something to correct their tendency. It is about his dying. But it now gets hidden from them because all it will do is spur them to prevent it. They wanted a miracle god instead.

In 10:20, they are even told not to rejoice in their delegated power. So much for other gospels. It is now a 'good news' that they can't enjoy. But they can enjoy justification (being written in the names of heaven). I'm not even sure he is talking about his disciples in 10:21-24! Because justification through Christ's dying was 'hidden from them' and 'they did not understand.'
 
SaulToPaul 2

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Interplanner said:
There is no proof of 'they didn't know he was going to die.' There is proof that they became deniers. The desertion of Jn 6 is written as though they were being reminded of the raw reality of it, not of hearing about it for the first time. Because he had already said his 'temple' would be destroyed and raised in 3 days, in John. Besides the Lamb theme.

Jerry's penchant for proof texts makes his cards crumble here. He thinks he can batter us with Lk 18, when that is their denial, if not God's sovereign hiding it from them because they might intervene or try to prevent it from happening. Meaning: that they knew too well already that he was going to die, and didn't want that to happen.

This makes Lk 9 (taking up the cross) more of a play on words than ever. They have to embrace what they already know, not deny it. (This kind of denial is a different sense than the change of will in v23; I referring to 'blocking' it out of your mind in spite of what you know, of suppression like Rom 1).

The main theologians of the Reformation realized that among the basic tools of good interp was this one:

the gospel accounts must be interpreted by the apostle's letters

Otherwise, there are any number of extraneous views you could adopt along the way out of stray lines in them (in the gospel accounts) which are not the view that Christ wanted us to have as taught in the 40 day seminar.
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Oh.
 
dodge

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Jerry Shugart said:
As far as you are concerned the whole Bible is immaterial if it contradicts you man-made ideas.

Anyone with the slightest degree of spiritual discernment can understand that the gospel which the twelve preached at Luke 9:6 was not the same gospel which Paul preached that declares that Christ died for our sins. That is because at the time the twelve preached that gospel they didn't even know that the Lord was going to die!

This is so simple but for some reason it is way above your head and you continue to insist that there was only one gospel!
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I doubt there is much spiritual discernment in throwing away and ignoring the majority of scripture and super imposing Paul on ALL of scripture.
 
God's Truth

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Truster said:
You might know that the shedding of innocent blood was necessary, but you have never experienced the effect of the precious blood that was shed.

You are nothing, but a fraud, who has tantrums in the face of truth.

Poor, deluded, self justifying, heretic.
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Satan has ensnared you to do his will. Satan doesn't have God's Truth, so he gives you false accusations to use and slander.
 
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God's Truth said:
Satan has ensnared you to do his will. Satan doesn't have God's Truth, so he gives you false accusations to use and slander.
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If Satan did rise against Satan his house would fall. You blaspheme the Holy Spirit and do so with abandonment. You foot will slide and as you take your last breath these words of blasphemy will be ringing in your ears as you fall headlong into the pit of despair.
 
dodge

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Jerry Shugart;4989739]As far as you are concerned the whole Bible is immaterial if it contradicts you man-made ideas.
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Wrong again ! Scripture is material your distorted out of context opinion is NOT.


Anyone with the slightest degree of spiritual discernment can understand that the gospel which the twelve preached at Luke 9:6 was not the same gospel which Paul preached that declares that Christ died for our sins. That is because at the time the twelve preached that gospel they didn't even know that the Lord was going to die!
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Anyone that believes and follows Jesus knows there is only "one gospel", and those that claim different even deny what Paul taught about "ANOTHER" gospel.

This is so simple but for some reason it is way above your head and you continue to insist that there was only one gospel!
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No it is NOT above my head ! The lies those in MAD believe discounts and discredits the one Jesus, cross, resurrection, ascension, and one Gospel that Jesus taught, brought, lived for, died for, and is returning to award those in HIM.
 
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dodge said:
Wrong again ! Scripture is material your distorted out of context opinion is NOT.




Anyone that believes and follows Jesus knows there is only "one gospel", and those that claim different even deny what Paul taught about "ANOTHER" gospel.



No it is NOT above my head ! The lies those in MAD believe discounts and discredits the one Jesus, cross, resurrection, ascension, and one Gospel that Jesus taught, brought, lived for, died for, and is returning to award those in HIM.
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Pay no attention to those 'anyone with the slightest...' warnings. He's missed tons.
 
God's Truth

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If Satan did rise against Satan his house would fall. You blaspheme the Holy Spirit and do so with abandonment. You foot will slide and as you take your last breath these words of blasphemy will be ringing in your ears as you fall headlong into the pit of despair.
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2 Timothy 2:26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

1 Corinthians 11:19 And indeed, there must be differences among you to show which of you are approved.

2 Corinthians 11:13 or such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masqueradesas an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their actions.
 
dodge

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Eph 3:5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Notice Paul did not reveal the mystery to the Apostles and Prophets the mystery was revealed to them by the SPIRIT.

How did those who follow and believe MAD miss this ?
 
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The reference to "the Apostles and Prophets" in Ephesians, moron, as you've been shown numerous times, is not a reference to the 12, and "OT" prophets; it is referring to the apostles and prophets," "post Paul."

You're a blubbering idiot, who refuses to study the details of the bible, a book of details, and most of TOL do not "miss" this fact.
 
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dodge said:
Eph 3:5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Notice Paul did not reveal the mystery to the Apostles and Prophets the mystery was revealed to them by the SPIRIT.

How did those who follow and believe MAD miss this ?
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Typically what they have right is not in the realm they think they own--eschatology or overall theological structure.
 
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