58 Dead, 500 Plus Wounded
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everready
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They succeeded in taking away firearms in England only to find themselves facing a different dilemma..
Coming Soon to Britain: Knife Control?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...ntrol-n2468997
The way this is playing out reminds me of a statement made by a man not that long ago..
“The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.”
Adolf Hitler
Coming Soon to Britain: Knife Control?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...ntrol-n2468997
The way this is playing out reminds me of a statement made by a man not that long ago..
“The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.”
Adolf Hitler
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The thing is, guns have been off the table for a long time in Britain. And until fairly recently knife related crimes were declining.
Here's a chart of that from the BBC:
That's also what slave owners thought.
lain: Every right has reasoned restrictions in its exercise, tied to their balance among other rights and the exercise of each among individuals. You could argue that any law is an erosion of freedom if you wanted to, but the exercise of right without regard for that balancing and the rights of others is just another form of tyranny.
Is that how we value?
How is that responsive?
Of course it is. Why would we change gun laws just because some nut goes and shoots random people? Majority rule man. There is a three hundred million plus who aren’t at risk.
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glorydaz
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What we need to do is outlaw all white vans.
No, it isn't, which is why we still raise and spend enormous sums of money on diseases that only reflect a sliver of a minority of the population.
Because changing them will substantively reduce gun violence along with the mass murder of innocent human beings, to begin with.
That's not really what majority rule means. Most people don't die in automobile accidents, or of cancer, and yet we have seatbelt laws and interstates and we fight cancer.
Don’t need seatbelt law.
Disease kills hundreds of thousands more, millions more than school shootings.
Gun violence is down and has been down for 40 years.
Again, yes it is how we deal with the loss of life, it is a minuscule fraction of a percentage of people dying from school shootings. So small that nothing can be compared to them. Thus we do not withhold guns from Americans just because some nut shoots random innocents. It makes no good sense.
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You could argue that we don't need law, but we have it and the idea you advance, that because only a comparatively few die we don't need to address it is undone by all sorts of examples, including seatbelt law.
You're missing both our points with that one. Or you're suggesting a line in the sand you haven't actually made.
In what context? The rate declined from a fairly violent 70s into the 80s string until recently as the Baby Boomers aged.
It just isn't, as I've set out in a number of examples prior.
Not many children died choking on toys as a percentage of infants. Now fewer do, because we changed what was required for their safety in products and labeling.
Well, your case failed, supra, so thus nothing.
If so, then valuing the right to own a type of weapon whose chief distinction is its ability to do what you can't legally do absent a hypothetical situation that is less likely to happen than the murders of these children, church and concert goers makes even less, by your own vague rule.
I find it interesting that Lefties would like to see eventual gun confiscation to occur, yet, they don't stop to think that, 'guns' were used to free us from the tyranny of King George and Great Britain. Not to mention that guns are available to protect one's family and to safeguard the people in case of a future tyrannical government.
And, don't forget Knives, as well.
glorydaz
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It might just be easier to cut off people's hands. :think:
That's about what I thought your limit would be on defending a problematic position.
Mind the needlework on that flag though. I think you may have given yourself a bit of a headwound.