musterion
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You will get no direct and honest answer to this. Just a wall of text from the Law followed by a condescending, passve-aggressive insult.
ECT 5 of the more obvious passages about losing salvation
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You will get no direct and honest answer to this. Just a wall of text from the Law followed by a condescending, passve-aggressive insult.
I truly believe the main reason I have been given some deep spiritual insights
is because I have spent years honoring ...
Matthew 7:
7 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find;
knock, and it will be opened to you.
8 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds,
and to him who knocks it will be opened.
9 Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread,
will give him a stone?
10 Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children,
how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things
to those who ask Him!
Those verses were written to the House of Israel.
SaulToPaul 2
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Yep. You are correct.
Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
The Bible teaches one must overcome AFTER believing.
The Bible says a lot of things to a lot of people. LA will not answer if "The Bible teaches" that we can eat pork.
If there's an obvious fact from Scripture, this is it.
However, Jesus is the only one who kept repeating it over and over!
Shame, 'cause there's a lot of Pauline and Peterine lovers.
SaulToPaul 2
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I once dated a Pauline, but never a Peterine.
And, there's some very ignorant posters as well. I think I heard
the guy that created this post is in that position.
She's too busy making predictions.
Absolutely true ... you have heard all kinds of garbage from Satan.
For instance?
Or the same thing, we can't even have yet?
A better question is, why would it teach this?
SaulToPaul 2
Well-known member
Perhaps.
My point, however: "The Bible" teaches different things on the subject.
It was in response to LA's statement: "The Bible teaches...."
that one must overcome AFTER first believing.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
SaulToPaul 2
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My point, however: "The Bible" teaches different things on the subject.
andyc
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Yeah its true.
Although we disagree about OSAS, I agree that without the assurance of eternal security, faith will fluctuate based on performance. And that is certainly a slippery slope to shipwreck.
Paul makes it very clear in Romans 5, that there is nothing we did that makes us sinners, we were born sinners in Adam. Likewise there is nothing we did to make us righteous, we are spiritually born righteous in Christ. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord SHALL NOT impute sin.
Although there are negatives when we sin, loss of salvation is not one of them.
andyc
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You should read posts and think about them before responding. If faith fluctuates based on performance, faith is not about performance. So how can you say I'm a worker type?
The "True Believer" is positioned into the Body of Christ. He/she cannot
lose that position. They are "In Christ and Christ is in them. Not to mention,
they have the righteousness of Christ.
lose that position. They are "In Christ and Christ is in them. Not to mention,
they have the righteousness of Christ.
My apologies. I misunderstood.