What does God's Holy Law Demand?

Nanja

Nanja

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Robert Pate said:
You really don't have faith in God because it is not possible to have faith in a God that damns people to hell before they are born. What you have faith in is the teachings of a heretic. You want to believe that you are special and that you have been predestinated.

You need to renounce Calvinism and trust in the work and the person of Jesus Christ, plus nothing.
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You remain an enemy of God and are blinded to the Truth of scripture because you are spiritually dead.

Eph. 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

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Robert Pate

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Nanja said:
You remain an enemy of God and are blinded to the Truth of scripture because you are spiritually dead.

Eph. 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

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That is what you want to believe, but it is not the truth.

When you are confronted with the Gospel and justification by faith, you start your personal attacks because you know that what you are being told is true.
 
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Gurucam

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Robert Pate said:
The Holy Spirit is NOT the savior. That is Catholic doctrine. Nowhere in scripture are we called to trust in the Holy Spirit or in what the Holy Spirit is doing in our lives.

The Christians main focus is in the work and the person of Jesus Christ. He is the one that saves and justifies. Not a Spirit.
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The point is:

The ten commandments are not absolute, as you are projecting. They can and must be transgressed under certain conditions.

Abraham, Rahab and those who wanted to bring forth only fruits onto God/children of God, all transgressed the ten commandments, so as to obey spirit and Spirit unconditionally and they were all glorified by God.

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The reason that the priest are blameless is because the priest must do work on the sabbath. Are you a priest of the temple?
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Robert Pate said:
It demands absolute and total perfection. Anything less than total perfection is sin.
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You are speaking from opposing sides of your mouth.

On more that one occasions, one was instructed to ignore and transgress the ten commandments because they killeth and cause those who esteem, use, promote and invoke them to bring forth fruits onto death/children of the flesh. This is the cruse of the ten commandments:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God (children of God, like Issac)).

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law (the thou shall not covert commandment), did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (children of the flesh, like Ishmael).

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the (tenth) commandment (the Thou shalt not covet commandment), which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
(from this point, 2000 odd years ago, the ten commandments came to be called the law of sin and death)

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
 
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Nanja

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Robert Pate said:
That is what you want to believe, but it is not the truth.

When you are confronted with the Gospel and justification by faith, you start your personal attacks because you know that what you are being told is true.
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Justification by Faith is only for God's Elect. They are Given Faith, a Fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22, when they are Born of the Spirit. That's Saving Faith Titus 1:1!

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Robert Pate

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Nanja said:
Justification by Faith is only for God's Elect. They are Given Faith, a Fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22, when they are Born of the Spirit. That's Saving Faith!

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If God elected some to be saved and damned the rest to hell, then you have an unjust God that cannot be trusted. Plain and simple.
 
Nanja

Nanja

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Robert Pate said:
If God elected some to be saved and damned the rest to hell, then you have an unjust God that cannot be trusted. Plain and simple.
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You blaspheme God.

Woe unto you who dares to judge the Character and Purpose of God!


Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?


Rom. 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

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God's Truth

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Nanja said:
Time to come to grips with the Truth of which the scriptures teach.

Christ came to Save His People Mat. 1:21, not the devil's children Mat. 13:38-40.

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Christ first came for faithful Jews, then after he was crucified all could come to him.

First to the Jew then to the Gentile.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Acts 3:26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."

Romans 2:9
There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;

Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
 
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Gurucam

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What is for the Jews is for only the Jews:

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
19 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) we know that what things soever the law (the ten commandments) saith, it saith to them who are under the law (the ten commandments): that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

And what so ever is for Christians/Believer is for Christians/Believers:

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now (since 2000 odd years ago) the righteousness of God without the law (i.e. without the ten commandments) is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Acts KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe (Believers) are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

And those who seek to put Christians and the billion or so who are called to be Christians, under the ten commandments are false prophets and false spying unawares brethren, according to:

Galatians: 2 King James Version (KJV)
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's (Christian) clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

 
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Gurucam

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In case you have any doubt that humans (especially those called to be Christians) have God given justification to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve in the newness of spirit, note the following:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God (children of God, like Issac)).
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law (the thou shall not covert commandment), did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (children of the flesh, like Ishmael).
6 But now we are delivered from the law (the thou shall not covert commandment), that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
10 And the (tenth) commandment (the Thou shalt not covet commandment), which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
(from this point, 2000 odd years ago, the ten commandments came to be called the law of sin and death)

People (the billion or so who are called to be Christians) are instructed to transgress the ten commandments (i.e. the thou shall not covert commandment), so as to serve in the newness of spirit. They must do this so as to stop bringing forth fruits onto death (which include children of the flesh, like Ishmael) and start bringing forth fruits onto God (which include children of God, like Issac)

The above is a plain, simple and literal KJV N.T. revelation which is literally supported by scores of other KJV N.T. revelations.

Why are you denying and blaspheming the above?
 
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Robert Pate said:
Salvation is by faith and by faith alone.

You do not have an obedience that will merit salvation.

If you did you would not be here on this earth.
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Doing exactly as Jesus says is what saves.

Jesus said more than just 'believe'.

You have to believe what he says, and what he says is to obey.
 
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Gurucam

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Robert Pate said:
Salvation is by faith and by faith alone.

You do not have an obedience that will merit salvation.

If you did you would not be here on this earth.
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You seem to simply make-up what you want, as you want. What you said above is corruption of KJV N.T. revelations:.

James: 2 KJV N.T.
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Abraham's and Rahab's behavior were divine. Their behavior were obedience onto righteousness. This exemplified Christian behavior. Learn form them. Christian behavior requires one to transgress the ten commandments when instructed to do by the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession as discerned within one's own heart or spirit.

They all obeyed, from the heart, that from of doctrine that was delivered to them and because of this, although they transgressed the ten commandments, they got no sin but were glorified by God. In fact they were instructed to transgress the ten commandments by that form of doctrine that was deliver to their heart. This is the New Christian way of being informed and guided.

The old flawed covenant is 'sin onto death and this is guaranteed delivery into hell inside the deaths of earth, with Satan.

The New covenant is 'obedience onto righteousness' through which one has faith in that from of doctrine that was delivered to one's own heart and one obeys that, unconditionally and so, one brings forth fruits onto God/children of God. And this works deliver one into God's kingdom of heaven.

Romans:6 KJV N.T.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you .
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

It takes faith to believe that form of doctrine that is deliver to one's heart, especially when this requires one to transgress the ten commandments.

This is the Spirit of Jesus passing information and guidance to one. This is anchored on:

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus says, one must obey that form of doctrine which is delivered to one's own heart or spirit, by the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth, unconditionally, even if one has to transgress the ten commandments. Both Abraham and Rahab exemplified this new covenant.

However if one does not act on (do works based on) these doctrines that are delivered to one's heart, (by the Spirit of Jesus,) it is all a waste. One will not do the required good deed. One will not serve Jesus and God. One will not bring forth fruits onto God which includes children of God and one will not inherit God's kingdom of heaven.

Matthew: 21 King James Version (KJV)
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

. . . faith, without works, is dead

. . . also works without transgressing the ten commandments so as to serve in the newness of spirit is death. and eventual delivery into hell inside the earth with Satan.

. . . also esteeming, using, promoting and invoking the ten commandments, in the slightest way, is spiritual death and eventual delivery into hell inside the earth with Satan.
 
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Ben Masada

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Robert Pate said:
The God of Calvinism is divisive and unjust.

Who could possible love a God that gives life for the sole purpose of sending it to hell?

It is not possible to trust and love the God of Calvinism.
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You are simply blaming God for doing what He did not do. The Lord did not cause man to exist in order to see him dead. My reference here is to hell according to the gospel of Jesus aka the Tanach which is the same as Sheol aka the grave. We die because we have been born, not because the Lord wants to see us dead.
 
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Gurucam

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patrick jane said:
EVERYONE who believes is elect
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Indeed, all (everyone) who are called (i.e. the billion strong traditional Christians) are justified to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve in the newness of spirit.

In fact they are not simply justified. They are instructed to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve in the newness of spirit. (re. Romans: 7 verses: 4 to 10, KJV N.T.) This is the only way to earn entry into God's kingdom of heaven. This is the only way to be 'chosen'.

However only a few (i.e. the chosen few) accepted and/or obey the above instructions. The very great majority of the billion or so who are called to be Christians still esteem, use, promote and invoke the ten commandments routinely and conveniently. They are falling through the cracks (which lead into the dark depths of earth) as we post.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Acts KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe (Believers) are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many (at least a billion people) are called, but few are chosen.

One will be chosen or rejected only after death:

Hebrews: 9 King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Judgment will be based on one's works, in one's current life on earth:

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Esteeming, using, promoting and invoking the ten commandments is to soweth according to flesh. The very great majority of the billion strong traditional Christians are soweth-ing to the flesh.

Transgressing the ten commandments so as to serve in the newness of spirit is to soweth to the Spirit. Only a chosen few are soweth-ing to Spirit resulting in:

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many (at least a billion people) are called, but few are chosen.
 
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Nanja

Nanja

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patrick jane said:
Everyone is elect
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That not possible, for if that were true, some would not be condemned already John 3:18, and we know that some whom God refers to as His Vessels of Wrath He has prepared for destruction Rom. 9:22. That's because they are of their father the devil John 8:44, Mat. 13:38-39, the cursed goats who go into the lake of fire Mat. 25:41, the second death Rev. 21:8. These make up the portion of humanity which was ordained to be condemned Jude 1:4.

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