I think that you are dull of hearing.
Is Calvinism Wrong?
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I think that you are dull of hearing.
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Jesus said this WELL before Pentecost:
Joh 5:24 KJV Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
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It's typical of those that say inconsistent and incoherent things to blame their audience for the confusion.
Nope... it's YOU!
This is very typical when a Christian that is indwelt with the Holy Spirit tries to communicate with someone that does not have the Spirit, 1 Corinthians 2:14.
You don't seem to understand simple spiritual truths.
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False accusation RP. You might need to check your faith.
RP, it is quite clear to everyone here that it is not me that has understanding problems.
You're the one that can't even decide if:
- There is ONLY one gospel
- There are multiple gospels
Because several bible characters, including Jesus Himself, called people names.
How Many times do I have to say it?
There is the Kingdom Gospel and there is the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God,2 Corinthians 5:18.
The Kingdom Gospel is the good news that the king has arrived. Jesus did not preach the Gospel that justifies the ungodly and reconciles the world unto God, he left that up to the apostles.
All that believe in God's promise of a savior are saved and justified by faith. All that had faith that Jesus was their savior are saved and justified by faith. The Bible does not teach in a justification by works, Read carefully.
"Therefore by the deeds of the law (works) there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20.
Those that have faith in Jesus and his Gospel are justified. Jesus justifies them by doing for them those things which they are not able to do for themselves.
1. Fulfills the law for them, Matthew 5:18.
2. Atones for their sins, 1 John 2:2.
No one will enter heaven that has not been justified by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus is God's justifier, Romans 3:26. We are justified by faith, because we are justified by Christ.
Jesus called the unbelieving Pharisees names.
I am not an unbelieving Pharisee. I have been a Christian for 50 years.
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So Jesus said that those that believe on Him who sent Him HAVE eternal life. Is that not true? You previously said that the gospel that justifies was not preached until Paul.
Perhaps you should go read a few million of my posts if you think that I say otherwise.
Total confusion on your part, as that verse does NOT say that Jesus "kept the law for them". It is taking about the MANY things described in the law and the prophets related to the Lord and His activities on the earth.
ALL things have NOT YET been fulfilled, but you would know that if you studied the Bible.
Indeed.
So you NOW confess openly that you are WRONG all of those MANY times that you claimed that there was only one gospel. Thanks for finally making the tiniest bit of progress.
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Exodus 5:4 KJV
(4) And the king of Egypt said unto them, Wherefore do ye, Moses and Aaron, let the people from their works? get you unto your burdens.
1 John 3:8 KJV
(8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Hebrews 4:4 KJV
(4) For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Are you sure of that? The word doesn't seem to simply mean "doing good" as opposed to doing evil. Again, does the word "work" or "works" stand alone in meaning, or is it a word that derives its meaning from context?
(...please consider the irony that you were just chastising someone else a moment ago for not answering simple questions.)
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No, James and Paul agree. They even use the exact same scripture to prove their point.
James 2:23 KJV
(23) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Romans 4:3 KJV
(3) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
No, Paul agrees with Jesus. It's right in that same scripture you already quoted. All those commandments that man had kept from his youth and he still lacked. He lacked the faith to abandon all that he had and follow Christ.
Mark 10:21 KJV
(21) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
False dilemmas. James does not disagree with Paul and Paul does not disagree with Jesus.
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(agree) .. and we are also told that through faith Moses esteemed the reproach of Christ.
Hebrews 11:24-26 KJV
(24) By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
(25) Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
(26) Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
People seem to forget that God is Christ and vice versa.
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This is called moving the goal post.
He called people who acted like fool, fools. Your objection was to being called names.
Get over it already. Stop being a cry baby, grow a thicker skin or go find a different hobby.
This line ended our conversation(s). I answered your leading question without allowing you to put a ring in my nose. I know you don't like it but that doesn't matter to me.
You are one similar post away from my ignore list.
Don't push it. I'm not kidding.
I haven't paid much attention to his exchange with john w but what little I have seen is john making arguments and Robert ignoring them.
I assume there is a history that I know nothing about. I don't really care. I'm not suggesting that Robert deserves what he's getting from john. Maybe he does and maybe he doesn't. I just hate cry baby belly aching and I hate hypocrisy even more.
John isn't going to stop because people he has no respect for whine about it anyway. If anything, it'll let him know that it's working which gives him an incentive to continue (whether he's right or not). Robert needs to do what he said he would do and put john on ignore or else just get over it.
This sentence is true with one exception.
He did not preach the gospel that the Apostle Paul preached.
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