Trump - Is He The Best President Ever?

Trump - Is He The Best President Ever?

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The Barbarian

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I was scolded somewhere else for sharing that I voted for Trump. They said how can I support him and why did I vote? I said it was between him and Hillary and it was an easy choice.

That happened with a lot of people. "What could be worse than Hillary Clinton as president?"

Now we know.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Anyone who would prefer to have Hillary as their President has to cherish her; criminality, dishonesty, wickedness, untrustworthiness, and faulty 'moral compass.' These are not the 'types' of people I want to be around. Usually, types like Hillary are 'incarcerated.'
 

patrick jane

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Anyone who would prefer to have Hillary as their President has to cherish her; criminality, dishonesty, wickedness, untrustworthiness, and faulty 'moral compass.' These are not the 'types' of people I want to be around. Usually, types like Hillary are 'incarcerated.'
Correct. Please take a gander at my "Clinton Family Crime History" and documentary? It's an older Documentary and very well done. It aired on cable and only covered the 70s 80s and maybe early 90s. They've doubled their crimes since then. Here's a taste of their history. Barbie knows it well.

Shocking Documentary Of Clinton Crime History

Still waiting for the body count for Trump, Reagan and Mickey.

The List of Clinton Associates Who've Died Mysteriously. Check It Out ...



1- James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder …happened just after she was to go public w:th her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 – Vince Foster – Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of
a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact
in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the Air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 – C. Victor Raiser, II – Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization
died in a private plane crashin July 1992.
6 – Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “dear friend and trusted advisor”.


7 – Ed Willey – Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 – James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..
11 – Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 – Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.


13 – Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 – Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas, airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 – Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 – Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter, investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority.
He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18 – Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19 – Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington ,Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.


20 – Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death: Unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, naked body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21 – Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance,died shortly thereafter in
a small plane crash.
22 – Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in asmall plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton ‘s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.
23 – Barry Seal – Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.
24 – Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25 – Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26 – Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when
his plane exploded.
27 – Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.


THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28 – Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
29 – Keith McMaskle – Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30 – Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31 – Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
32 – James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes”.
34 – Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.


THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD
35 – Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
36 – Captain Scott J . Reynolds
37 – Sgt. Brian Hanley
38 – Sgt. Tim Sabel
39 – Major General William Robertson
40 – Col. William Densberger
41 – Col. Robert Kelly
42 – Spec. Gary Rhodes
43 – Steve Willis
44 – Robert Williams
45 – Conway LeBleu
46 – Todd McKeehan

And the most recent, Seth Rich, the DC staffer murdered and “robbed” (of nothing) on July 10. Wikileaks found Assange claims he had info on the DNC email scandal.
Not Included in this list are the 4 men killed in Benghazi.



@The Barbarian @The Berean - Does Reagan, Trump or Mickey Mouse have any dead bodies shot to death with no theft or robbery taking place or suicides with shots to the back of the head? Plane crashes and plane explosions? Murdered or suicides while investigating and reporting on the Clintons? Jumping from buildings or simply "gunned down", because that happens all time? Even the ones I didn't highlight are suspicious. Some of these deaths are probably not related to the Clintons but the facts are facts.

I'd put this list up against any comparable list from Trump, Reagan or Mickey Mouse. Obviously Reagan's list may be big because of aging deaths but most of
these deaths seem to have occurred decades ago. Young healthy people.

Any decapitated or mutilated like #31 and #32?




Haiti Official Who Exposed The Clinton Foundation Is Found Dead ...


Shocking Documentary Of Clinton Crime History
 

The Barbarian

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patri Does Reagan said:
Some even stranger than that. But it depends on a simple fallacy; we are, all of us, connected to a vast number of people. If, (as the Clinton Body Count conspiracy theorists do) go to associates, of associates, of associates of associates of a person, there are hundreds of thousands of people. So it's not surprising that a lot of people somehow connected to Reagan have ended up dead in mysterious or unexplained ways. And of course, with a prominent person, there are many, many more people somehow connected to them.

The people who buy such stories usually never consider such things, and are easy prey for those peddling the scams.

The usual technique:

“Body count” lists are not a new phenomenon. Lists documenting all the allegedly “suspicious” deaths of persons connected with the assassination of John F. Kennedy have been circulating for decades, and the same techniques used to create and spread the JFK lists have been employed in the Clinton version:

List every dead person with even the most tenuous of connections to your subject. It doesn’t matter how these people died, or how tangential they were to your subject’s life. The longer the list, the more impressive it looks and the less likely anyone is to challenge it. By the time readers get to the bottom of the list, they’ll be too weary to wonder what could possibly be relevant about the death of people such as Bill Clinton’s mother’s chiropractor.
Play word games. Make sure every death is presented as “mysterious.” All accidental deaths are to be labelled “suspicious,” even though by definition accidents occur when something unexpected goes wrong. Every self-inflicted death discussed must include the phrase “ruled a suicide” to imply just the opposite. When an autopsy contradicts a “mysterious death” theory, dispute it; when none was performed because none was needed, claim that “no autopsy was allowed.” Make liberal use of words such as ‘allegedly’ and ‘supposedly’ to dismiss facts you can’t support or contradict with hard evidence.
Make sure every inconsistency or unexplained detail you can dredge up is offered as evidence of a conspiracy, no matter how insignificant or pointless it may be. If an obvious suicide is discovered wearing only one shoe, ignore the physical evidence of self-inflicted death and dwell on the missing shoe. You don’t have to establish an alternate theory of the death; just keep harping that the missing shoe “can’t be explained.”
If the data doesn’t fit your conclusion, ignore it. You don’t have to explain why the people who claimed to have the most damaging goods on Clinton (e.g., Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Monica Lewinsky, Kenneth Starr), are still walking around unscathed while dozens of bit players have been bumped off. It’s inconvenient for you, so don’t mention it.
Most important, don’t let facts and details stand in your way! If you can pass off a death by pneumonia as a “suicide,” do it! If a cause of death contradicts your conspiracy theory, claim it was “never determined.” If your chronology of events is impossible, who cares? It’s not like anybody is going to check up on this stuff …

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/false-clinton-body-bags/
 

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My honest opinion is, anybody who works to bring down a sitting President is, not only unpatriotic but, is also a TRAITOR to this Nation of ours. In my humble and earnest opinion, of course.

Where was Grosnick Marowbe's self-righteous moral indignation when "the Birthers," under the leadership of "Donald J Trump" spent 6 years trying to undermine the constitutional legitimacy of a Democratic sitting President!

The Republican game plan for 8 years was to block the Obama agenda at every turn, but when they're in the White House they expect all the Democrats to rally behind "The Donald" singing "kumbaya!"
 

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I pray for Trump.
That is deplorable to folks like jgarden because his heart is too darkened with hatred and mockery towards God.

Notice that Trump supporters have given up trying to defend the indefensible and shifted their strategy to make "Trump worship" the "litmus test" for one's "patriotism" and Christianity!

This stands in marked contrast with the Bible which makes it abundantly clear that our first loyalty should not be to secular institutions and that the wealthy should expect to be dealt with harshly come Judgement Day!

Conservatives have become "enablers" for Trump - rationalizing, making excuses and/or ignoring a daily diet of "bad behaviour" because for them "the ends justify the means!
 

patrick jane

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Notice that Trump supporters have given up trying to defend the indefensible and shifted their strategy to make "Trump worship" the "litmus test" for one's "patriotism" and Christianity!

This stands in marked contrast with the Bible which makes it abundantly clear that our first loyalty should not be to secular institutions and that the wealthy should expect to be dealt with harshly come Judgement Day!

Conservatives have become "enablers" for Trump - rationalizing, making excuses and/or ignoring a daily diet of "bad behaviour" because for them "the ends justify the means!

Here's who's really rich and owns the Bank of England, the Catholic church, our own Federal Reserve, Israel's central bank and, well . . . Every bank almost. The "CENTRAL BANKS" of the whole world. Trump has chump change.
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Tambora

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Notice that Trump supporters have given up trying to defend the indefensible and shifted their strategy to make "Trump worship" the "litmus test" for one's "patriotism" and Christianity!

This stands in marked contrast with the Bible which makes it abundantly clear that our first loyalty should not be to secular institutions and that the wealthy should expect to be dealt with harshly come Judgement Day!

Conservatives have become "enablers" for Trump - rationalizing, making excuses and/or ignoring a daily diet of "bad behaviour" because for them "the ends justify the means!
Bozo Cartoon Boy, once again, doesn't have a clue what's going on around here.
I've talking about making all adulterers criminals and punished by law, and you act like that's worshiping Trump.
Wake up and smell the coffee dodo bird.
 

Tambora

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...and you worship Trump, who says adultery isn't a sin.

Wake up and smell the coffee.
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You and AB don't think it is a sin either.

Neither of you two buffoons really want to stop sexual misconduct.
That much is clear.
adultery - A-OK to you guys
abortion - A-OK to you guys
gay sex - A-OK to you guys
unmarried sex - A-OK to you guys

Both of you are sooooooo against making those a punishable crime that it makes one wonder if that is for fear of yourselves being snared.
Neither of you are serious about sexual misconduct.
 

Arthur Brain

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You and AB don't think it is a sin either.

Neither of you two buffoons really want to stop sexual misconduct.
That much is clear.
adultery - A-OK to you guys
abortion - A-OK to you guys
gay sex - A-OK to you guys
unmarried sex - A-OK to you guys

Both of you are sooooooo against making those a punishable crime that it makes one wonder if that is for fear of yourselves being snared.
Neither of you are serious about sexual misconduct.

Well, outside of loony, religious zealot world, then one can be quite serious about cracking down on sexual assault and crimes of the like without feebly equating consensual adult relations outside of marriage with the very same you nut. The chances are that Barbarian considers all of what you mentioned to be sinful but unlike you he isn't advocating for all of the above to be crimes. Where in the world you think he and I are all okay with abortion is anyone's guess too.

Sure, I don't want laws that go back to draconian times where gay people were locked up as they never should have been to start with. It's no skin off your nose if gay folk have sexual relations or when unmarried straight folk shack up either. It might be 'sexual misconduct' to you for any sort of sexual relations without a marriage certificate but it ain't a crime and nor the hell should it be, unlike any form of sexual assault.

Oh, and after your MAGA thread then yeah, that was Trump worship, sickening, fawning, dopey as it gets Trump worship...

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Arthur Brain

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We get it, AB.
It's A-OK with you.
But if it is so "draconian" to you, then why are you being draconian by your condemnation of Trump having a consensual sex affair with a porn star?

I'm not condemning him for it, there's a load more things to be concerned about with Trump than his likely fling with a porn star although I'm not condoning it either. The double standards fall on you with your diatribes where it comes to "sexual misconduct" as you don't seem to be phased by his adultery in any 'meaningful' way, certainly not enough to stop you fawning over the guy as much as you do as president. I don't have the same inconsistency going on as I'm not a puffed up, 'holier than thou' religious zealot who would lock people up for having a monogamous relationship without a bloody wedding ring.
 

The Barbarian

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...and you worship Trump, who says adultery isn't a sin.

Wake up and smell the coffee.


You and AB don't think it is a sin either.

:rotfl: I told you it was sin. You don't seem to think so, since you slavishly follow a man who has cheated on three wives in turn. You claim you think it's wrong, and you want adulterers punished, but you clearly don't.

I'm pointing out that it's a sin. Government is not here to punish sin; it's to protect those who can't protect people from being abused by other people.


Neither of you two buffoons really want to stop sexual misconduct.

You want to encourage it. If you didn't, you wouldn't be so slavishly supportive of a man whose life has been dedicated to sexual misconduct, and who claims that adultery isn't a sin. You think no one notices?

We can see that adultery is A-OK to Tambora, given your loyalty to a serial adulterer.
We cab see that unmarried sex is A-OK to Tambora, since her idol promotes it and says it's not a sin.

I disagree with you. Both of these are grave sins, as is homosexual behavior, and abortion. The only reason these two aren't OK with you, is Trump has changed his story about them last year, to get the republican nomination.

If he hadn't, you'd be good with them, too.

And that's a shame, Tambora.

Both of you are sooooooo against making those a punishable crime

If you'll lie about some things, it's not surprising that you lie about those. Abortion should be illegal because it involves a non-consenting party, and it kills a human life.

The rest, are sins, but the are sins that are between the sinner and God. Or, in Trump's case, his wives as well.

You talk a good case about these things, but your behavior is more persuasive. You openly tolerate sexual misbehavior. It makes one wonder if that is for fear of yourself being snared.

It is clear that you are not serious about sexual misconduct.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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I'm not condemning him for it, there's a load more things to be concerned about with Trump than his likely fling with a porn star although I'm not condoning it either. The double standards fall on you with your diatribes where it comes to "sexual misconduct" as you don't seem to be phased by his adultery in any 'meaningful' way, certainly not enough to stop you fawning over the guy as much as you do as president. I don't have the same inconsistency going on as I'm not a puffed up, 'holier than thou' religious zealot who would lock people up for having a monogamous relationship without a bloody wedding ring.

Does anyone on TOL really care what you think, is sin and what isn't? Well, perhaps, Barb cares, so you have at least, one fan who'll stand by you through thick and thin.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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:rotfl:

You and AB don't think it is a sin either.

Neither of you two buffoons really want to stop sexual misconduct.
That much is clear.
adultery - A-OK to you guys
abortion - A-OK to you guys
gay sex - A-OK to you guys
unmarried sex - A-OK to you guys

Both of you are sooooooo against making those a punishable crime that it makes one wonder if that is for fear of yourselves being snared.
Neither of you are serious about sexual misconduct.

:rotfl:
 
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