ECT Ever wonder why dispensationalism has become increasingly despised?

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musterion

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I believe there are two covenants.

The new covenant was implemented at the cross with the shed blood of Christ Jesus.

After the cross, the good news (gospel) was preached.

"gospel" means good news.

MAD teaches that Paul preached "good news", and Peter preached different "good news".

MAD claims Peter's "good news" said his audience had to wait for their salvation, but Paul's "good news" taught that his audience had their salvation right then.

That would mean Peter's "good news" was really bad news, since Paul's "good news" was better, because Paul's "good news" didn't requiring waiting for salvation.

"good news" can't be "bad news".

Yet, that's what MAD teaches. MAD claims Peter really taught "bad news".

Where's the good news about sin in John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-10?
 

tetelestai

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It states only that if you believe He is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead - any Roman Catholic believes that much.

Then the Roman Catholic is saved.

(Luke 7:50) Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

Did the woman in Luke 7:50 quote 1 Cor 15:1-4 verbatim?

Again, this is the problem with you legalistic MADists. You guys actually believe that people cannot be saved unless they understand things exactly like you.
 

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Then the Roman Catholic is saved.

(Luke 7:50) Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

Did the woman in Luke 7:50 quote 1 Cor 15:1-4 verbatim?

Again, this is the problem with you legalistic MADists. You guys actually believe that people cannot be saved unless they understand things exactly like you.
Not true, but it also depends what kind of salvation you're talking about.

SAVED does NOT always mean ETERNAL LIFE.
 

tetelestai

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Where's the good news about sin in John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-10?

(Acts 16:30-31) ...“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved...

Why didn't Paul and Silas tell the Jailer anything about sin?
 

tetelestai

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And when they insist they partake the host to maintain grace, else they'll be lost...and everything else Rome says to do...do you still say they're saved?

How is that any different than you guys doing everything Darby tells you to do?
 

musterion

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(Acts 16:30-31) ...“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved...

Why didn't Paul and Silas tell the Jailer anything about sin?

They'd been preaching and singing about Him all night (Acts 16:25).
 

musterion

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Ok, but when the jailer asked "what must I do to be saved", Paul and Silas didn't say a peep about sin.

They'd been praying, preaching and singing all night. Everyone in the jailhouse heard them. Paul preached the Gospel of grace, what he called "MY GOSPEL," the same content as that which He said he preached to the Corinthians...the very content that is MISSING from John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-10. The jailor heard he was lost and had heard how to be saved by Christ, and so he was.
 

tetelestai

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What about Him? What is the unbeliever to have faith IN regarding Him?

There you go getting all legalistic again.

Because you're so legalistic, you're trying to make salvation as complicated as you can.

You're trying to get all technical. Is it faith in "His faith", or is it faith "In Him" is the standard MADist question.

Salvation isn't that complicated. Only legalists like yourself try to make it complicated.

You guys take a simple statement "by grace you have been saved, through faith.....", and turn it into a debate
 

musterion

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There you go getting all legalistic again.

Because you're so legalistic, you're trying to make salvation as complicated as you can.

You're trying to get all technical. Is it faith in "His faith", or is it faith "In Him" is the standard MADist question.

Salvation isn't that complicated. Only legalists like yourself try to make it complicated.

You guys take a simple statement "by grace you have been saved, through faith.....", and turn it into a debate

No, I'm trying to get you to see that you contradict yourself on the most vital matter anyone on TOL can discuss.

WHAT EXACTLY is an unbeliever to believe about Christ that, according to Paul, will save them?
 

tetelestai

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They'd been praying, preaching and singing all night.

It doesn't say that.

Here is what it says

(Acts 16:25 KJV) And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.

At midnight they prayed and sang, and only the prisoners heard them (the jailer did not hear them because he was sleeping)

Then there was an earthquake right after

(Acts 16:26 KJV) And suddenly there was a great earthquake,...

Then the jailer woke up:

(Acts 16:27 KJV) And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep,..

Then the jailer was going to kill himself because he thought Paul and the other prisoners had escaped.

Then the jailer asked Paul and Silas what he had to do to be saved.

Everyone in the jailhouse heard them.

They only prayed and sang at midnight. Only the other prisoners heard them. The jailer was sleeping, it took and earthquake to wake the jailer.

Paul preached the Gospel of grace, what he called "MY GOSPEL," the same content as that which He said he preached to the Corinthians...the very content that is MISSING from John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-10.

It doesn't say that.

It says Paul prayed and sang, and only the prisoners heard him

The jailor heard he was lost and had heard how to be saved by Christ, and so he was.

Nope, it doesn't say anything close to that.
 
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