Which is not even the anecdotal fallacy. You need to have a true story to use it as an anecdote in place of actual evidence.
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Which is not even the anecdotal fallacy. You need to have a true story to use it as an anecdote in place of actual evidence.
Before a child develops a moral conscience of his own, he may or may not hit his little sister even though he has been told not to and that it is wrong to hit someone else, especially a "girl".
Often I did not hit my little sister, even though she deserved it because of what she did and said to me, only because I knew she would go crying to my father and say tommy hit me, and I knew that I would be spanked again.
So are you suggesting for those who have never developed your moral conscience we should eliminate punishment for them, since most of the rest of us do not need that as a motivator. Should my dad not have spanked me or sent me to my room {similar to Life imprisonment for a small child] and just waited for my moral conscience to develop, down the road. Or was it not part of that development.
Removing strict and swift punishment from people without a clear morality, only encourages violence, and delays development . Do you honestly not see that.
In fact, sometimes my sister did not even deserve to be hit, I see that only now, that I am an adult. Sometimes she actually was as innocent as she claimed to be.
Would you advocate a child saying to his father.. You spanked me last time and I hit her again anyways, no sense in spanking me this time?
There is a DP for murder, but hey I committed murder anyway, so what is the sense in carrying it out? Do you honestly acquiesce to that kind of logic?
Arthur Brain
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Yes, and until he understands why he's hardly morally accountable is he? I grew up with a big sister so I had a few scars....:chuckle:
Hmm, how can you, as an adult now say she deserved to be hit?! No she didn't dude. You were kids for Pete's sake.
lain: Oh please. It's not the equivalent to 'life imprisonment' for a small child to be sent to his room. You really are over reaching on this. Frankly, it takes a darn sight more than spanking or the above to actually teach morality to a child or for him/her to recognize their actual actions and ramifications also. I was very very rarely spanked as a kid and taught just why actions have consequence in a way more constructive manner than a belt. Also I have never argued that there shouldn't be a penalty to pay for adult criminal behaviour so I don't know where you're pulling that from. Plenty of folk have "developed" a similar moral conscience so if the only reason you didn't actually go out and assault people etc was due to fear of consequence then I'm sorry to hear it.
Spanking in itself doesn't teach anything dude. Punishment with reason does far more. You don't educate folk through a hand or a belt.
She never deserved to be hit by you dude. She was your little sister. As an adult you should have no qualms admitting it. The fact that siblings often squabble and fight is by the by. It seems as though you still have issues on this....
Nope. I don't advocate spanking for its own sake anyway as there's better methods than purely physical punishment in order to educate and discipline IMO.
That wasn't even the argument I was making so it would be a bit hard to 'surrender' to something I've not even proposed to begin with.
I've asked you to provide verifiable sources that at least suggest that the DP is a powerful anti deterrent to violent crime. Still waiting.
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Your own story isn't evidence of a thing except your changed life.
A zealot like this monster in Norway wouldn't be detered by capital punishment and given the rate of violent crime in this country it doesn't work as much of a deterrent anyway.
some other dude
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You're an idiot. Todah's story is evidence of a crime not committed due to fear of punishment.
A bold statement. You have proof?
I was unaware that we had swift and sure capital punishment in this country.
How about if we look at a country that does. Singapore?
El DLo
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Based on the attack in Oslo, airports and public institutions should keep an open eye for white right-wing fundamentalists Christians. If they play video games, they're even more likely to be a threat. Let's just hope they don't play the discrimination card when it comes to profiling.
Fair is fair, right?:idunno:
Fair is fair, right?:idunno:
And a supposition.
Probably not, since he feels completely justified in his course of action. That and he's nuts, which you have to be to gun down scores of defenseless children.
That's because the majority of murders are crimes of passion and many of those involve drugs, further impairing judgment and making anything like cooler heads prevailing a statistical anomaly.
Arthur Brain;2733898 That wasn't even the argument I was making so it would be a bit hard to 'surrender' to something I've not even proposed to begin with. I've asked you to provide verifiable sources that at least suggest that the DP is a powerful anti deterrent to violent crime. Still waiting. :e4e:[/QUOTE said:
Exactly. A zealot might even want to be executed to serve as a martyr for his cause.
What kind of gang banger, wife beater, or sociopath stops to think: "Gee, might ride the lightning for this. Guess I won't succumb to the worst angels of my nature today."
Frankly, I don't care if capital punishment works as a deterrent or not, but it seems apparent that this argument doesn't hold much water.
Arthur Brain
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Until the legal system is shaken up I wouldn't support 'swift justice' anyway. There needs to be time for an appeals process. The sad fact is that there's plenty who are wrongfully convicted and executing the innocent isn't justice. I would only support it when guilt has been established beyond the merest shadow of doubt.
As to the rest we're likely swapping the anecdotal and are reaching an impasse as we'll not agree on this.
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Typical Granite. Stupid to the core.
It's a deterrent before people turn into sociopaths.
Granite is a hypocrite and a coward.
Arthur Brain
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No kidding. He and sod follow me around like a couple of ankle dogs.
It's also worth pointing out to this numbskull that he doesn't appear to understood anti-social personalities at all, so his comments just made him look like an even bigger buffoon than usual. Which takes some doing.
some other dude
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I've always been fascinated by bizarre behavior. I find your posts as compelling as those of Letsargue, Pan, eemee, Barbie and the rest of those here who lack rationality and rely on emotion.
Think of yourself as the dog-faced woman in the freak show that is TOL.
Granite is a liar. It is he who followed me into the thread and mocked my wife. Granite is a big girl's blouse. He reckons himself too high for some yet must let all and sundry know how vigilant he is at ignoring them.
A hypocrite and a coward. Maybe one of these days he'll fight his own battles instead of letting his plebeians do it for him.
A hypocrite and a coward. Maybe one of these days he'll fight his own battles instead of letting his plebeians do it for him.
IMO, I don't see the DP as a deterrent but rather as a punishment and a way to keep society safe from THAT particular offender. Dead men and women do NOT reoffend.
Arthur Brain
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Where did Granite mock your wife? It took you a year to finally apologize for your asinine remarks regarding a certain event in my family if you recall as red77 so grow up and stop being such a flaming hypocrite. Take your own advice and "man up" dude, else continue with your poxy whining.
lain:
I'm not even sure where Norway is.
You got Sweden, Norway and Finland and their all like long and skinny and running north to south and in a package there east of England and if you gave me a blank map with the outlines it would be a wag to label them.
Minnesota has a bunch of blond people and a bunch of Muslims and there's no dead 90+ people there.
There's every kind of people in Detroit, no problems, other than the usual stuff.
As a matter of fact we got tons of Muslims in Detroit and no problems, so I guess my question is this.
How's it going over there in Europe with that?
You got Sweden, Norway and Finland and their all like long and skinny and running north to south and in a package there east of England and if you gave me a blank map with the outlines it would be a wag to label them.
Minnesota has a bunch of blond people and a bunch of Muslims and there's no dead 90+ people there.
There's every kind of people in Detroit, no problems, other than the usual stuff.
As a matter of fact we got tons of Muslims in Detroit and no problems, so I guess my question is this.
How's it going over there in Europe with that?